The term fractal was coined in just 1975 by Benoit Mandelbrot. In that aspect it is very new. I don't think it is very good to call those who are excited having recently learned about it or those just marveling at the beauty of fractals to be engaging in "hooplah".
You maybe misunderstood what I meant, or I didn't word it properly. Just because somebody put a name to it doesn't mean it's new. I have been aware of Mandelbrot from way back when they first started exploring this NATURAL phenomenon he coined "fractals". All I meant is that for me at least it has always just been an aspect of nature that makes such pure and simple sense that it astounds me no more than taking a breath. Both are magnificent and wondrous miracles when fully appreciated and considered, but at the same time very common place and occurring everywhere in everything. What I meant was there seems to be some fascination with them as if it were some new amazing discovery or invention. They aren't, it's nature. What is new and exciting is the advances in technology in enhancing and expanding our senses so we are seeing them in the microcosm and macrocosm of the universe, and seem to be surprised with every new fractal design discovered in nature. Why all the astonishment, did you think it would be anything other than what it is? As I stated in my prior post, I see the simplicity and efficiency of design in nature manifested in what Mandelbrot calls fractals. As a budding design engineer surely you can recognize that same thing in every new fractal structure or pattern unveiled in nature. I meant no denigration or insult to anyone. But for me personally it is like saying water is wet. Very simple and apparent. Yet magnificent when considered fully in all it's implications.
I think everyone is well aware it's a natural phenomenon as all the examples given are in nature. The only thing I can say as to why people are astonished by fractals is from my own experience. For me, although I knew that repeating patterns were found in nature, when I happened to catch a documentary on public television about fractals I was surprised that this phenomenon even had a name. Further, I was elated by the novelty of discovering more fractals that I had not thought of before. As time goes on, the novelty fades, but I still marvel.
As do I, I hoped my post had expressed that as well. Does this make more sense.... I am puzzled that people have to see this stuff on a tv special or in a magazine to be awed and mystified by it. My astonishment is that more people are oblivious to such marvels unless shoved right under their nose. But as I said, I spent more time observing nature as a young kid then I ever did playing with army men or matchbox cars. That may have a lot to do with my constant sense of awe and gratitude in all that I perceive. It is not that I don't marvel at these things, that is my normal state of consciousness. Rather it is that other's don't that I just don't get. And in considering the nature of fractal designs and patterns, in my mind it has always been "of course, what else did you expect".
PB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aufuwMiKmE"]YouTube - Alan Watts: A Conversation with Myself - Part 1 people think in squares and lines it takes age and wisdom to see
now to me you are making a lot of hooplah.. OMGS this thread is fractals all over again :willy_nilly: my ideas never come through and i get overshadowed by the forum guru's .. ima stfu now
I guess in a way I am making a hoopla over it. I just didn't want you or anybody else to think I was attempting to be derogatory. But seriously, study fractals. Both in design and function. Notice the inherent simplicity, efficiency and conservation that nature employs. Then translate that to your engineering and design and we will see great things from you in the future, I'm confident of that.
I guess I've always been wiggly for as far back as I can remember. age, wisdom, and many summer days watching ants and studying leaves, and winters catching snowflakes to study their intricacies. But throughout it all being awed and excited and always asking "Why?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Sheep I always pass this along when this subject comes up. The electric sheep screen saver is a living moving morphing mandala.