Fox "news."

Yes, your language is imprecise, and you have freely made a questionable interpretation. These aren't "a few scientists polled". Cook et al report findings for several studies involving large samples of peer reviewed research by climate scientists: (N = 2,142; 3146,4,014; 1,868; 3,748, etc.). As for "a catastrophe looming" calling for drastic action, that's a matter of policy judgment. I stand with my previous statement that I tend to be persuaded by a consensus of expert opinion.

 

Non sequitor. That doesn't make them experts on how to run schools.

 

You're conflating direction with operations.

If we have "experts" currently directing schools, then obviously we can benefit from replacing them with better experts.

Your full reliance on experts is akin to following religious precepts, except that they're secular and flawed. You won't know that until you grow up more and right now that probably sounds shocking.

Insult me all you want; it doesn't work. The posts of each of us speak for themselves.

 

When I get sick, I generally go to my doctors and take their advice, cuz I think they know more about it than I do. I'm sure they're fallible, but I usually give them the benefit of the doubt. On really major things, I get a second opinion, but if I went for a fourth or fifth opinion, I'd suspect I was shopping around for one that tells me what I want to hear. I think your posts speak for themselves, reflecting the mentality of a die hard Trumpster.

 

But the disadvantaged are less likely to have the knowledge, time and money to help than already advantaged parents.

Putting extra burden on the preants is therefore likely to further disadvantage the already disadvantaged while advantaging the already advantaged.

For many right wingers with ideas based on Social Darwinism that is fine they think the advantaged are inferior and undeserving of help while the advantaged are superior and do.

To me since no child can choose to be born into advantage or disadvantage I don’t think a disadvantaged kid should be punished for it and have their opportunity to fulfil their potential limited.

As a policy putting the burdening parents, is not likely to bring about a better society only one of division and rising inequality. But I often feel that is what some right wingers are aiming for.

 

Trud

LOL sorry I think you are projecting once again.

If a viewpoint or argument stand up to scrutiny after examination and questioning plus the person giving it can defend it from criticisms in a rational and reasonable way then I’m likely to accept it. I will keep an open mind and if new evidence comes along I may change my view but I’d accept it.

People with religious type beliefs don’t question they just believe.

Now thing about in terms of this forum – you have presented many ideas and they don’t stand up well to scrutiny you often refuse to answer questions about them and also don’t seem able to defend them from criticisms in any rational or reasonable way.

Yet you still believe them to be true, you simple don’t question them.

 

I'm pretty sure that's part of his well thought out plan...

 

1) Good on U giving your money away. You must be in a better financial situation than most people. I’m glad to hear it was beneficial for someone who really needed it. What else do you do to assist the homeless?

2) No one but me, that’s why I said simply out of curiosity. Why are you so offended? Are you ashamed of being white? Are you a racist? Were some of your ancestors slave owners? If it makes you feel better, contact your local black lives’s matter chapter and volunteer both financially and physically. Hopefully you don’t get beat up.

3) My point is that there are programs available to help the needy, plain and simple. Please give specifics as to which programs you feel are currently lacking under the Trump administration and their direct lack of assistance to the less fortunate.

4) My point? Hasn’t the consensus of many here been the lack of resources for those in need? Are you lacking in life’s basics needs because of the Trump administration? If so, what program? Or perhaps you know of someone who is?

5) Agree, extending benefits to those in need is not only politically correct but morally as well. However the question still begs, are their not programs available to help the needy under Trump? Perhaps you can share of someone you know who isn’t / hasn’t been aided in the same fashion they were prior to the Trump administration taking office. See my response below regarding homelessness. Could you argue against my supposition that Obama created a mess of Homeless issues that Trump inherited?

6) The economy was doing great? For whom? You? Prior to Convid unemployment had gone down for blacks and women. From my personal perspective, “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor” was a mess. Did your medical insurance go down? Perhaps your state and or situation is unique? Maybe you don’t go to the doctor?

6) I stand corrected, I should have been more clear. Big boy pant’s wasn’t directed at everyone, it was specific to ero. As for the rest of your charts and responses...

Being that you believe the current administration has cut so much funding from necessary programs what has your solution been on the local level? Other than give your stimulus funding away, what have you done / do to help out others? Or is that who really cares what I have done?

Flag, I’m not disputing that many received degrees under Obama. I simply stated I wasn’t sure how I could compare both programs to one another.

Yes Balbus, bitching, however I’m not the only one. The same can be said for you, I posed certain questions but you STILL fail(ed)to answer them.

Balbus, you don’t have to wait to for the government to implement a higher tax rate. You can freely donate as much of your wealth as you like. Simply pick the charity of your choice. I’m in need of 20g’s to pay off my student loans. Shall I provide my routing #? Better yet, donate a Johnny on the spot to San Francisco so they can address the liberal 3rd world country defecation issue. Why does the mayor of Frisco allow this? Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Free college for all, good luck with that...Socialism Balbus, really? Why do you hate democracy so much? Pass your P.O. Box and I’ll mail you a complimentary beret.

Here’s a scenario for you... someone in your family needs life or death surgery and you have the choice to pick the doctor who would perform the surgery.... Ivy League grad., top of the class or free college magna cum laude? C’mon dude, really? Could there be something as to why so many people (foreigners) included want to attend school in the U.S.?

Why don’t you enlist the help of liberals world wide. Gofundme for starters. Begin the process of starting you own free radical college. Time will tell how many quality candidates your Balibusamater will turn out. Oh jeez...

Cuts to public schools? Did you fail to mention that some of these cuts were to Teacher development programs? Should this not be a state and local responsibility, not a federal one? Moreover, evidence suggests that there is little return on investment from the teacher professional development programs funded by the federal government. Some of your left wing cronies from Harvard, Stanford & Munich conducted a study.

Paul Peterson of Harvard University, Ludger Woessmann of the University of Munich, and Eric Hanushek and Laura Talpey of Stanford University.

Care to comment why the the two most liberal affluent city’s in America are washing their hands clean of the homeless by bussing them to other localities? New York and San Francisco to be exact. They don’t get any more liberal than that. For the record, both of the links are from the Obama era, imagine that.

Bloomberg on NYC Homelessness: A Total Lack of Accountability - Coalition For The Homeless

Obama Will Seek $11 Billion for Homeless Families

Wow, Obama’s plan was a success. Place a call into Bloomberg’s office and ask for an audit report. They’ed tell you to go take a flying leap and to quit sticking your nose in other people’s business.

You allude to the common citizens paying more in taxes? For what? So the dirtbag leftist politicians on the state and local levels can squander our funds?

You continuously say I rant without offering a solution to the current problems. Here’s a doozie...act upon your hatred for the U.S.A. and start an uprising. You could appoint captain ero. as your d....y in arms. Seize California and call San Francisco your capital. There’s a stockpile of turds left over from the Obama era to put forth a good fight. I can picture it now, you posing ala Che Guevara touting the battle hymn of Juche while ero. spins doughnuts on his 3 wheeled turd launcher mobile. Eventually when Trump gets wind of your plan he may just annex California and hand it over to you peacefully, it’s a cesspool of a lost cause anyway.

A Brief History Of Poop On The Streets Of San Francisco

This is why I like Fox, they’re the only media source that would give you airtime highlighting your cause.

Let me guess your response. Renn, you’re a ...hole, you ramble, you don’t / answer my questions.... wa wa wa... Since you’re so much more so on the side of philosophical / political clarity than me, answer all my questions. It’s a 2 way street Balbus, don’t hide behind your insulting innuendo’s, snide responses and posing more questions before answering mine.

Care to debate 1 on one Balbus? DM me. We’ll determine a time that works best for the both of us. Think you are good enough to answer questions off the cuff in real time without your cheerleaders? I’ll be your huckleberry, bring it.

 

Says the hypocrite who deletes posts he can’t refute

 

This is drilling it to the center, Balbus !!! Bullseye !!!

 

Wrong. If you read my post you'd see she quit teaching shortly after starting because of all the bullshit. I've actually been a professional in a technical field all my career in big construction. While in school I actually was very near the top of my class and my efforts toward education have paid HUGE dividends. I bolded HUGE for you because my education paid off HANDSOMELY. My wife has worked for a very large investment institution for over 30 years.

And YES - I FULLY SUPPORT UNIONS rather than the greedy - often criminal - CEO's and top level executives who live fat on the sweat of other working people. No union member ever got rich by being a member - but they negotiate for higher pay & benefits to live in a decent manner - as opposed to non-union folks who often are paid wages that were decent back in the 1980's. And the non-union people have NO VOICE AT ALL. They are at THE COMPLETE MERCY of their employers who keep pay & benefits as low as possible. I know what I'm talking about because I've dealt with union and non-union workers and the non-union workers are getting screwed!!! On average they get paid half what union workers get paid. I've dealt with contractors and know the bidding processes inside and out. So don't run your yap and try to tell me what's what.

And if you think teaching kids these days is easy with kiddies bringing guns and knives into the classrooms, physically attacking teachers, are truant with no parental concern or communication - strap on a classroom and see what it's like. If you haven't taught in school - don't act as if you know all about it. "Government handouts"................ you're a riot. Teachers get paid by their local school districts and the local taxpayers - as it should be - because every community benefits from those students who become productive members of society. Those teachers must pass rigorous state tests to get their teaching license - then go on to earn a masters in Education to keep their positions in most instances. They also spend multiple hours each night correcting and checking tests, book reports, essays, and preparing the next day's classes. People like you act as though teachers have a gravy train and "walk" through their careers. And since the Bush administration, Federal school funding has been slashed so most teachers must buy basic school supplies out of their own pockets to be able to operate their classrooms. Try it smart ass - and see how you want to do that for $20,000 to $35,000 per year. NO PERSON should have to buy the supplies they need to do their jobs.

Your stupid-ass comments about teachers taking handouts and "partying hearty" are just sad. Untrue - lying - and sad. YOur comments about other countries having better grades is correct - but they also teach in a completely different manner than the rote memorization drudgery used by the U.S. by SCHOOL DISTRICT SUPERINTENDENTS. They teach totally different systems that include MORE time outside out of the classrooms. More practical applications and problem solving - not repetitious memorization. Teaching by using examples in real life applications is not done very often here in the U.S. "No child left behind" forced teaching to the tests, and not broadening the scope of kids' learning. THAT idea narrowed what kids are taught.

Your comment that teachers used to want to teach just for the love of teaching kids. That's still the case for most teachers who are still in the profession ................ but they also have to make a living commensurate with their education and profession. What does a CEO do every day that they deserve to be paid $10 million - $20 million - $88 million (as the CEO of Coca Cola was paid a few years ago), or as they have recently done (to avoid public scrutiny & revolt) - reduced their "base pay" to $350,000 to $1 million per year. But the REAL compensation comes in the form of stock & stock options. THAT PAY can be over $500 million dollars in one shot. Some fund managers have made $1 BILLION dollars in ONE YEAR !!!!! But a teacher earning $60,000 per year is way overpaid by your dumb-ass standards??

The idea that slashing teacher pay to near poverty-level and then you'll get teachers who are well-qualified and eager lined up to fill positions is laughable. District superintendents who make $250,000 and up while going to "conferences", attending "seminars" frequently, and going on international trips is also a joke.

I'm NOT jealous of rich CEO's, as you assert. My wife and I have enough to live comfortably - we don't need a $300 million dollar or $400 million dollar portfolio to be comfortable ...................... or happy. Our money was earned by WORKING for it - NOT sponging off others below us in the pecking order.

What high pedestal are YOU sitting on??? Are you one of those greedy CEO's that think they are worth $20 million dollars a year ....................... but everyone else should be earning $10 per hour????

For all the flapping mouths that have been saying for decades that the future of our country lies with education - the REPUBLICANS and dolts like yourself sure take unknowing pot-shots at teachers. With all the attacks on teachers these days - who in HELL would want to become a teacher??? In most other countries, teachers are respected and supported. Only in the U.S. are they targets for abuse by idiots who are looking for someone to blame for all of society's ills. MY wife and I have both witnessed MANY instances of neglectful parents who didn't care enough to come to school meetings or take the time to speak with teachers about their kids. Even in Little League - where I was a coach for over 11 years - parents would drop off their kids and leave!!! They wouldn't even stay to watch their kids play. We were just a babysitting service. So parents are a HUGE part of the failure of kids' educations - they don't put in the time at home or at PTA meetings.

If you're going to bitch and ridicule - at least come with some FACTS and background before running your mouth and ONLY complaining.

 

I'll go further ...................
Let's apply your thinking - and that of REPUBLICAN politicians - to executives. Let's SLASH their pay down to around $35,000 per year, make them pay for needed supplies & travel out of their own pockets, strap them with out-of-control, no-respect, weapons-carrying, dangerous underlings who care nothing about doing their jobs (equivalent of students) .................. and see how many line up to grab those jobs.

And do it for the love of leading a company & it's workers.

Why do you and other REPUBLICANS view teachers ( and many other avg. working Americans ) as less than an executive?? What makes an executive into royalty?? Carly Fiorina, for example, almost led Hewlett Packard - an established technical juggernaut - into the ground but was STILL paid very richly, and left with a "golden parachute" that was huge in the amount of money she got for nearly ruining HP. She's not the only example. What happened to the Wall Street bankers who initiated the financial meltdown that began in 2007?? They got huge bonuses and got NO PRISON TIME!!!

But those damn teachers should have their pay slashed and teach just for the love of it. But how does <<<< this approach correlate with the "pillar-of-the-community" executives saying of, "You get what you pay for. To attract the best talent, you have to compensate them very well." How do you argue from BOTH SIDES????????????????????? Does "pay them well to get the best talent" ONLY apply to executives????

There is NO LOGIC to that kind of thinking.

 

When did they ever say that?

Information is always changing. With a new virus people make discoveries. The press was probably giving out the best information it had at the time. You are looking for corruption in the wrong places. It actuly proves it's a new virus with how everything is playing out. Or it's a conspiracy where they are willing to go through so many unnecessary steps that do zero to accomplish much. You are madder it moves slower than if they were over cautious on day one. That alone proves why it's unwise to lie in the way you say the media does. The right wing was ready to murder over toilet paper for a while. They were at the ideal time for a conspiracy to manipulate them and somehow months after they are still bitching on Facebook waiting for it to happen. If they got you that mad and stupid already and you are still here it should be a hint.

Not really. Fox is one source making claims that have no evidence. They go as far as editing content to make it fit their story and just move on from one lie to the other. Other news sources have actual evidence and it appears to me from my own observation reality too. There is a reason Fox does what it does and why certain people don't see it for what it is. The right wing loves 1984 but don't see the comparison with Trump and Fox news. I guess you can see a lot of things a lot of different ways that's what makes it a good book. Fox makes up reality as it goes along too.

Orwell was also a proud socialist so it's always amusing when his book on extreme nationalist governments is the Fox go to for a dystopia.

 

6

LOL I shall we all see the last great and noble comment you made that I removed?

A joke - not even a very good joke (although I’m sure you think it brilliant)

You want a silly joke to be seen as something serious and substantive that needed in-depth analysis?

Look 6 you are well known as a troll that hasn’t written anything of any substance for at least a year or more.

Please don’t try and gaslight us into thinking you are anything but a troll.

 

Renn

Sorry but I can’t take your semi-coherent ramblings seriously. All they seem full of are your grievances and prejudices with yet more bitching and moaning peppered with some silly side swipes at what you clear see as your enemies.

It’s rather painful and sad to read.

And do you know what I think is the biggest tragedy - that you actually seem to think you are great debater. I don’t think I am, I muddle through by doing the research and trying to thinking things through, you don’t seem to do that and it shows but you don’t see the lack of substance you seem to honestly think you are knocking it out of the park.

Let us just take one thing

I’ve been arguing that the vocal right these days don’t seem to have any solutions to today’s problems – this is exemplified once again in your post where nothing is presented. But I don’t think you see it, take this one line the only place where you actually address my point.

I mean really this is it

I’m guessing you think that some type of killer line, witty and clever – but it just comes across as rather childish

I mean think about it – you admitting you have no solutions so are suggesting that those you oppose do something, even to the point of wishing an uprising, the thing is that many on the left want reform they know why reform is needed and have suggestions on solutions.

The vocal right don’t seem toave anything, not a clue.

Then there is the supposed hatred for the U.S.A. by your opponents – but I ask if your child had problems would you ignore them or try your best to help them because you love your child?

It seems to me that ignoring the problems and letting them fester and do harm is more akin to an act of hate.

 

Geeze, it would take me all day to point out the errors of thinking, the ignorance, and the hypocrisy expressed here!

Honestly, I don't know how a person can come up with so much.

Just reading between the lines, you built enough wealth to carry you through to the end with excess. Great. It sounds like you managed construction projects for people like Trump who paid you handsomely for your efforts. And then you turn on them. How gentlemanly of you.

I wish I were wealthy enough to afford to be a democrat!!

You'd think a person managing tradesmen would know more about them. Your "stupid-ass comment" that "NO PERSON should have to buy the supplies they need to do their jobs" cracked me up. So confident, yet so incorrect.

"If you're going to bitch and ridicule - " why harp on CEOs who actually earn their money working 24/7? Where's your criticism of athletes and actors? Got no widgets coming out of their factories...

I also believe wealth disparity is too great. But going into lunatic mode won't help the cause. You've got to put forth reasonable ideas to address the problem without attacking people for excelling. I guarantee under a wealth redistribution system that some of yours would become mine. But I diligently care for what little I have because I worked for it. It's only fair, and it's the American way.

"So don't run your yap and try to tell me what's what."

You have kids? You wanna pass the fruits of your labor on to them?

 

Trud

But you don’t even try – I mean what are your counter arguments – all you give is more bitching, moaning and unsubstantiated assertions – a rant devoid of substance

 

Like what you just wrote? Pot/kettle dude.

And your reading comprehension is clearly questionable. I could give you all the facts and evidence to undermine your position but it won't change your mind. You just go into cognitive dissonance, circular logic, word salad, and insults whether direct or veiled. Tell me you really want to learn something.

 

I've managed AND been the one working with tools.

The people / entities I've worked for weren't like Rump at all. AT ALL. They didn't runaway from paying the contractors for the work performed. They didn't lie and cheat.

And here's the rub with your argument about the owners/executives that "work so hard, 24-7." "Excelling" as you put it. I - and other just like me - can do their jobs. We can design, draw/CAD the blueprints, AND do the ACTUAL WORK. We can make the phone calls, arrange deliveries, coordinate the various job phases & trades to function well together, etc. But I'd PAY to see the show that would be those owners/executives attempt to do the actual work. They wouldn't know a TE-72 from a Tap-con, or a cad-weld from an MC bucket.

As for workers having to buy their own supplies - they have to supply their own hand tools. That's all. NOT drill motors or bits, welders, ladders, lifts, ropes, safety belts/fall restraints, hard hats, conduit benders, pipe-threaders, welding rods/wire, scaffolding, trench shoring, cutting oil, spark/fireguard, masks needed for dust/fumes, face shields, air packs for hazardous locations, steel cable for fall protection on multi-elevation buildings, re-bar, wire nuts, tape of all sorts, concrete saws, core drills, hammer drills, tri-pod vises, tie wire for concrete reinforcement, tarps, heat shrink, compression connections, extension cords, temporary power panels, GFCI protected power distribution multi-taps, shovels, picks, rakes, etc., etc. Construction workers only must supply their own hand tools as required by their trade. I've only been at it for 42 years. 2 nuclear power plants, multiple gas & coal-fired power plants, numerous factories, hospitals, pharmaceutical manufacturers, colleges, schools, water treatment facilities, prisons, huge warehouses, paper mills, amusement parks, museums, shopping malls, ...................Incorrect am I??? Your dumb-assed quote below vvvvv Whoever you are - you don't know shit about big construction.

Athletes and actors are entertainers - whole different ballgame than people/businesses who produce goods or services. And they negotiate for what pay & benefits they get. They don't produce "widgets" - they produce cheers, applause, laughter, self-reflection and thought about human behavior. I think most people would say those are good things.

Yes - wealth disparity is huge. HUGE. In my opinion, If the salaries / wages paid out to the majority of employees is categorized as an expense - then so should the salaries and benefits packages of the top executives also be categorized as expenses of doing business. They are NOT as current law stands. Guess which political party fought to keep executive salaries / compensation from being categorized as expenses??? THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I watched C-Span as one REPUBLICAN senator after another made speeches as to why executive salaries & compensation should not be "expensed."

And if a company makes $100 million in a year's time .......................... I don't believe the CEO should get $80 million of it like so many instances it happens. In order for a robust economy to flourish and survive, people need disposable income to keep the economy going. So regarding that afore-mentioned company that made $100 million in a year ........................... pay the CEO $5 million, and divide the rest among the other executives, and employees. If being paid better is an incentive for people to excel - as top executives have claimed for years in their own case - then it would also apply to the rest of a company as well. Probably a lot more people would be going the extra mile if they believed they were going to be compensated more fairly. SOME forward-thinking companies are going in that direction and taking more of a "team" approach to operations and not the traditional "ivory tower, top-down" power structure. Simply put - NO CEO is the sole reason for a company's success - so they shouldn't be reaping the vast majority of the rewards.

 

That's interesting, you basically agree with me while ranting as if you don't. It's not your fault you mistakenly believe democrats are on your side; that opinion was assigned to you by the democrat paid news media.
I have most of the tools you listed. I've never done "big" construction, but residential. I do all the trades. I'm not familiar with the terms TE-72, cad-weld, or MC bucket, but I have a few sizes of tapcons around. I started CAD in '86, when the AT came out. Had a lot of fun with that over the years.