FOX News - fair and balanced

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  1. thepapasmurph

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    FNC vs. Dominion

    except from Heather Cox Richardson's daily: 2/16/23
    Letters from an American

    A legal filing today in the case of Dominion Voting Systems against the Fox News Corporation provides a window into the role of disinformation and money in the movement to deny that President Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election.

    Dominion Voting Systems is suing FNC for defamation after FNC personalities repeatedly claimed that the company’s voting machines had corrupted the final tallies in the 2020 election. The filing today shows that those same personalities didn’t believe what they were telling their viewers, and suggests that they made those groundless accusations because they worried their viewers were abandoning them to go to channels that told them what they wanted to hear: that Trump had won the election.

    The quotes in the filing are eye-popping:

    On November 10, 2020, Trump advisor Steven Bannon wrote to FNC personality Maria Bartiromo: “71 million voters will never accept Biden. This process is to destroy his presidency before it even starts; IF it even starts…. We either close on Trumps [sic] victory or del[e]gitimize Biden…. THE PLAN.”

    FNC’s internal fact checks on November 13 and November 20 called accusations of irregularities in the voting “Incorrect” and said there was “not evidence of widespread fraud.”

    On November 15, Laura Ingraham wrote to Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity: “Sidney Power is a bit nuts. Sorry, but she is.”

    On November 16, Carlson wrote to his producer, Alex Pfeiffer, “Sidney Powell is lying.”

    On November 19, FNC chair Rupert Murdoch wrote: “Really crazy stuff.”

    Hannity later testified: “[T]hat whole narrative that Sidney was pushing. I did not believe it for one second.”

    Fox Politics Editor Chris Stirewalt later testified, “[N]o reasonable person would have thought that,” when asked if it was true that Dominion rigged the election.

    The filing claims that FNC peddled a false narrative of election fraud to its viewers because its pro-Trump audience had jumped ship after the network had been the first to call Arizona for Biden, and its ratings were plummeting as Trump loyalists jumped to Newsmax. “I’ve never seen a reaction like this, to any media company,” Carlson wrote to Suzanne Scott, chief executive officer of Fox News, on November 9. “Kills me to watch it.” On November 12, Hannity told Carlson and Ingraham, “In one week and one debate they destroyed a brand that took 25 years to build and the damage is incalculable.”

    They went to “war footing” to “protect the brand.” For example, when FNC reporter Jacqui Heinrich accurately fact checked a Trump tweet, correcting him by saying that “top election infrastructure officials” said that “[t]here is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” Carlson told Hannity: “Please get her fired. Seriously…. What the f*ck? I’m actually shocked…. It needs to stop immediately, like tonight. It’s measurably hurting the company. The stock price is down. Not a joke.”

    Heinrich deleted her tweet.

    The filing says that not a single witness from FNC testified they believed any of the allegations they were making about Dominion. An FNC spokesperson today said, “Dominion has mischaracterized the record, cherry-picked quotes stripped of key context and spilled considerable ink on facts that are irrelevant under black-letter principles of defamation law.”
     
  2. nudistguyny

    nudistguyny Senior Member

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    Fox News has been nothing but a propaganda broadcasting network since day one. The " News " part of their network should cease to operate .And have them just do local news and regular TV shows. Not their sensationalist bull crap.
     
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  3. Twogigahz

    Twogigahz Senior Member

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    Well, it's Fox's version of the news....
     
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  4. MollyCuddled

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    It’s insane to me that a news channel which itself, as well as its prominent hosts like Tucker, can successfully argue in court in plain terms that no reasonable person could believe them (which is the only consistent truth they tell) and people still believe them. They have flat out said multiple times that they should not be believed
     
  5. Twogigahz

    Twogigahz Senior Member

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    "Your honor, this shows the state of the minds of Fox news viewers...." Sustained...
     
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  6. Toker

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    Self-enrichment is at the bottom of all the Republican lies, disinformation, courtroom dramas, grandstanding, public performances, committee b.s., corporate sponsored legislation, culture wars, military spending, etc.

    Billionaires like the Murdocks, the Trumps, the Koch brothers, Elon, etc. are all in it for the bucks, no matter who they have to step on or how many lives are shattered.
     
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  7. Intrepid37

    Intrepid37 Banned

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    Newsguard grades Fox News as accurate.

    Personally, I find Fox to be better - more thorough and more deeply investigatory - than most other mainstream sources of news.

    But I don't really trust it - trusting any of the mainstream news operations is extremely foolish. CNN is the worst. Well, maybe MSNBC is the worst. Hard to measure the difference between those two abominations.
     
  8. MollyCuddled

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    On multiple occasions they be literally said in court under oath that no reasonable person could believe their programming - and the judge agreed. They’re explicitly telling you their stuff is crap.
     
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  9. Toker

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    Exactly and the new texts and emails release proves it. Come out of your cocoon, intrepid and taste the truth, feel the cognitive dissonance of having been lied to for years by those you trusted and believed.
     
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    Piobaire Village Idiot

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  12. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

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    You have to look outside the 'box' to find credible news reporting. It doesn't seem to exist in the USA any more, at least not quality investigative journalism. What is seen today is mostly re-written from press releases, twitter feeds and other social media anyway. How can anyone trust that?

    And trusting Fox News is like trusting any fox raiding your chicken coop.
     
  13. scratcho

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    Fox "news "? Not a lick of morals between the lot of them. The Murdochs are and have been making millions of dollars here in the US, while espousing authoritarianism / fascism and evidently trying to tear this country down. They should be deported, IMO. :mad: Fair and balanced? Only the truly stupid / brainwashed can possibly believe that!!
     
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  14. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    It seems weird that any of us can turn a blind eye to the questionable personal enrichment dealings of prominent democrats while simultaneously hammering on any and all Republicans for anything of any magnitude, real or imagined.
    It just indicates dedication to party affiliation and shows a complete disregard for truthseekimg.
     
  15. MollyCuddled

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    So I certainly haven’t read this whole thread but for the portions I have read I haven’t seen anyone do that. I haven’t seen one positive comment toward any liberal politician or media outlet. I have seen a lot of criticism for Fox, but that’s well earned and not the same thing as support for Biden or CNN. It’s definitely possible I missed those comments though ;-p
     
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  16. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    I was speaking in general rather to any specific instance. There's some mindless partisanship going on and it's not hard to find.

    I don't know Fox news all that well but I do know that Tucker is what they call an opinion person. He doesn't deliver the news, but his take on the news. He's hyperbolic. He speculates. But he's honest, and generates viewership. Gutfeld is another opinion person, openly comical, and entertaining. They don't ask you to believe them but they do strive to entertain.
     
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  17. MollyCuddled

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    For sure. Tucker is someone btw that did successfully argue in court that no reasonable person could believe his show so I think it’s fair to just call him entertainment. If I can’t tell when it’s speculation or when it’s his take or when he’s being honest vs when he’d say no reasonable person could believe him then it’s effectively all entertainment.

    Beyond that the core problems are that people do believe them and that this is what all news is now. It is with the removal of the fairness doctrine all for-profit as a primary goal. Entertainment and confirmation bias is much more profitable than truth
     
  18. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    That's right, news (loosely interpreted) assigns people their opinions. "This is hard to watch", "exacerbated by global climate change", "so and so thinks such and such"... It's all loaded with speculation which a lot of people take at face value. Not to mention big money and govt influence is behind it all. The talk of one news network's owner getting rich by amassing viewership is myopic because it's no different from the rest of the big whigs, they're all doing the same thing. None has a monopoly. It doesn't take but one view of any network news to catch where the majority of funding comes from. Look at who's advertising. And we all know that we don't bite the hand that feeds us. There's a lack of objectivity to all of the advertisement funded information (which is essentially propaganda). Plus they have to keep the govt, or some segment of it, happy. So it all should be taken with a grain of salt.

    PS: that "nobody should believe us anyway" defense was successfully used by some other famous person in a lawsuit just prior to Tucker adopting it.
     
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  19. Intrepid37

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    So much propaganda bullshit. Bill Clinton did everything he could to kill independent journalism so that control could be exerted over citizen awareness. It was a giant step in the process of manufacturing consent.

    Thank heaven for the internet. It has provided the means to resist assimilation.

    There, sources of honest discussion can be found if one is prepared to listen; to be willing to step away from the cult of mainstream where control of thought is absolutely everything.
     
  20. MollyCuddled

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    Ronald Reagan repealed the fairness doctrine that made news for profit.

    The moment you announce no one should believe you is the moment no one should believe you
     

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