Forced Kissing

You're singing to the choir.

Let the flames begin......


......but remember there are exceptions to most Rules.

 

Take this guy for example,Andcrs2, since he illustrates my point perfectly. He is either too servile, too lazy, too devoted to changing the channels on his TV while eating chips, or simply devoid of imagination to flame me himself; so he looks to others.

"Ok, guys. We ought to flame him. Right? So you do it first. After I see ya'll take some risk, I'll join in. Alright, fellas?"


Just no balls to guys these days. Seems the world is littered with weak, a$$-kissing guys who nervously pander to their girlfriend's whims for fear of losing a steady lay. She can feel this and will codify it within the relationship to keep your allegiance singular.

 

Pull your Head out.

First you haven't a clue as to me/my R/L activities.
You must be slummin in a Parallel Universe.

Secondly the reference to flaming was the flaming of myself - not you.


Is your foot fetish so controlling you have to keep at least one of your feet in your mouth at all Times? *L*

 

You are talking like you are such a man, but you assume that all women are the way you think they are and that all men want to be the way you are. People often upon realizing a new thing about themselvs assume it applies to everyone. There are women with issues who in some ways enjoy being dominated, and men who like to take advantage of them. Even if it were the majority of women who wanted to be treated that way, it wouldent mean that there was nothing greater than to go and force yourself on every woman who would enjoy it, even if you could be sure who they are. What about the kind of man who has strength, but uses it to help others, weak and gentle seem similar, but are opposites. You may be missreading signs, but your arrogance stops you from seeing, If you force a woman to do anything, and she doesnt seem upset afterward, she is probably is shock. I have a close friend who was forced down on someone, she did nothing to tell him what pain it caused her, she couldent deal with it, he probably still goes around thinking he didnt do anything wrong. No matter what you think, it does not turn her on to think about it, she is a strong minded woman who knows what she wants, it didnt create a bunch of hangups due to trained morals keeping her from indulging or some bs like that, it made her doubt if she could trust people, and feel like she was unimportant. I cant explain a reason to care what another feels to someone who doesn't. You think that for a man to have kindness and integrity that he must be a wimp who aloows a woman to manipulate him. My girlfriend would do anything for me, because she trusts and respects me, But i dont abuse that, because i want her to be happy. That takes much more than a show of force, it takes patience, and integrity, a kind of strength i belive you lack. Likewise, I would do anything for her, but only because i know i can trust her not to use me. The women you speak of have given up on trust, they are full of pain and belive that the safest place to be is with someone that they know will use them openly rather than taking a risk with someone who apears to be kind, who they feel will only get their hopes up and break their heart. They find men like you who use them and only reinforce their sad veiw of the world. You are making the part of this pattern you see into your whole world, then rationalizing it into what you want things to be. You have likely created and added to a lot of hate and pain. Try understanding what more there is to women than fear that there is someone even worse than you.

 

"This is why girls can get over a sour relationship faster than guys. If you pan out, the mosaic of why this is necessary stands out."

NOT TRUE, i often see the opposite, such as my case

"To the degree that the female posters were pissed is the degree to which they would LOSE THEMSELVES IN THE BLISS OF being pinned down and taken like the dirty little $luts they are."

WHAT THE F*CK?! BLISS? women don't enjoy being raped, you sicko. you are just so lonely and ugly this is your only means of getting any sexual stimulation whatsoever. and i know very few women would want you. so all women are dirty little sluts? i think you've been taken up the ass too many times to remember your real sexuality.

and nice guys do win.

 

what the hell Nepenthean? can i just ask...are you getting off on this conversation or what? i think your sick and have a completley upside down view of the world and the way women and men interact.

 

Nepenthean are you enjoying the attention you've drawn to yourself?

I just bet you are!

If you think every woman enjoys being raped then you need to get help some day if you actually act on your thoughts you're typing in here.
I doubt you act though, because if you were "doing" then you wouldn't be logging onto a hippy internet forum out of nowhere, then expressing the opinion that girls love to be raped and sitting back in glee composing what YOU perceive as highly intelligent and eloquent responses.

You make mention of your limited time available to reply to everyone's responses, but I don't think anyone really believes that.
Who are you kidding, you're probably waiting all day to read and re-read people's responses, including mine right now, which you're probably relishing along with every other response.

Your screen name might give us a clue as to your psyche.
Nepenthean is a drug for forgetting sorrow, pain or grief, in Homer's "The Odyssey."
nēpenthes : nē-, not + penthos, grief

Do you have this attitude towards women because you used to be a kind person and got stomped on by a girl?

Your location is listed as "Where my mind and body collide..."
This is also interesting, because it fits with your personality, if you're genuine, because maybe you're just frustrated sexually and without much success you think perhaps if you just force yourself onto some girl perhaps that will work. But you weren't born this way, and you conscience doesn't like it, so you're trying to distance yourself, rationalise it all intellectually ("I enjoy obseerving human interaction.." etc..) and now on hipforums, garner some kind of support, or else fend off attacks. Either way boosting your ego.

Are you actually a smart and successful guy, but just with a bad attitude to women, or are you a stereotypical computer nerd with an exotic sounding screen name getting your kicks out of provoking people whilst eating corn-chips in an old t-shirt stained with your own ejaculate. (sorry people, but I wanted to be blunt)

Do you know it actually doesn't matter what you do or how you look or where you live? If you're actually genuine about your thoughts on here, your soul at the moment, inside you, if you could see it, would look like that stereotypical stained-t-shirt man.

Now I know i'm not helping because the only thing keeping you going is people's responses, because with your child-like attitude, you have the child-like craving for attention whether good or bad. If nobody replied you'd hate it!

Possible retorts at my reply to you:

"So, to wit: Guys are pissed with my post because it abrades their theoretical framework of what is acceptable, allowable, and possible. They instinctively feel compulsed to compete with me because my stance threatens their mediocrity and consensus trance."

Even though I replied at length I'm not "pissed" with your post. I know it is possible in this world for rape to occur! You're not opening anyone's eyes to that little gem.

I'm also not trying to compete with you, i'm just curious about what made YOU feel compelled to share your thoughts on here.

Your stance doesn't threaten me, I do respect women and treat them as well as I can, whenever I can. If you're very cynical, no i'm not saying that just to try and get sex from any girl who thinks I sound kind, I'm not going to "get laid" from an internet forum for god's sake!

Lastly, you mention mediocrity and consensus trance.

Do you mean to criticise things like mass media telling people how to live, magazines, Oprah Winfrey, all of these influences on how to behave 'properly' etc..?

Well I have an image for you to consider if you're still reading which I hope you are:

A seedy-looking bar in the middle of a small town where an attractive woman walks in. At a table a few local guys are sitting there wasting their time and money drinking beer etc..
They look at the woman and various comments like "Fuck, have a look at her tits!.... I bet she'd love me to squeeze them while I banged her in my truck", "Oh yeah, I'd fuck the hell out of her and wipe that pretty smile off her face in no time, and if she didn't like it to start with, she'd be screaming by the end fellas! hahahaaaaa Yeah she'd love it!"
Followed by much self-congratulatory laughter and a round of beers, at the masculine heroics of the local drunkards.

Can't you see this is THE basest and most common type of attitude to sex possible, the most mediocre too? Talk about consensus trance!
The only difference is these guys are honest about it, they don't hide behind a screen-name or fool themselves into thinking they're some kind of highbrow intellectual. It's not hard to sound intelligent on an internet forum.

If I were you, I would also want to find some Nepanthean to forget myself, but not to be too harsh, perhaps you'll get some help or somehow resolve your problems because there is conflict inside of you which is causing this bitter attitude.

 

WHAM! best response ever.

 

but i thought you were planning on having your way with me... *pouts*

 

Ah Jaime... none of that meant I can't still indulge in consensual hanky-panky! *ruffles your dreadies*

Thanks Gruvenmama, I agreed with your general point of view so I felt like writing about it a bit more, though it's not some male "pissing contest" here either.
I respect an open forum where various thoughts can be aired no matter how outrageous, but like a lot of other people, there are limits though where you at least feel the urge to voice an opinion.

 

I know a guy who tries this forced kissing shit. Half of the girls just use a judo move followed by a "who the fuck do you think you are" lecture. The other half go through with it, not knowing why and then feel shit about it later. Thats when they get their male friends to beat the fuck out of him.

 

Thanks everyone for the passionate opinions; they certainly are not bereft of that. Consider the vehemence with which you all wrote. I bet you did not take time out to framed your reponses did you? You just flowed with it knowing there are no consequences to your thoughts conveyed electrically. There is not ONE SINGLE reply offered to the board for this thread from a place of apathy, complacency, docility, or powerlessness. Then again, there are respondants from places other than the apathetic kingdom of the US; nevertheless, I salute the power in all of you-- power beyond right or wrong, good or bad, guilt or love. Thank you.

Hey Sundew, I think you have handily restored my faith in American folk insomuch as you actually looked up my handle in the dictionary. Or did you know it? Or are you even from the US? At any rate, props. Keep up the probing.

Gruvenmama420 wrote, "so all women are dirty little sluts?"

I do not know how you define 'dirty little sluts' but, yes, ALL women are dirty little sluts. You will not admit it to me. You will probably not admit it to your friends or even yourself. Be mindful of what 'dirty little slut' connotes to your socially -programmed mind however.

She wrote again, "and nice guys do win."

And physically unattractive girls do win the attention of guys as well. Since I live in close temporal proximity to Vegas, I am willing to bet that nice guys win with those women who find it challenging to attract the guy who really puts a fire in her womb. If she possesses an ability to attract guys and is coupled with a nice guy, then a)the sex is only mildly adequte AT BEST and/or b)she will grow bored at some soon time and c)she KNOWS the guy who does it for her because he stands in statuesque contrast to her present man.

 

Sure she's a woman before she's my mate, but you obviously don't know her...

Trust me, I would never ever! Go for a girl that thought having men force themselves upon them was good

My girl isn't just a steady lay, she's the love of my life, and I of hers..

I have balls, and I can stand up for myself, hell even beat up guys twice my size, but I have no reason to use force with her, if I can't convince her by making sense, then what point can I possibly have?


NEWSFLASH
It's not weak to be a gentleman, it's weak to always have to be on top not to lose face... If you can't handle being equal to a woman, then you sir... Are a cynical pussy
If your face can't take a slap, then what strength have you got?
Having to hold people down so they won't actually say anything against you, is the weakest thing a guy or anyone could ever do!

 

I do not know how you define 'dirty little sluts' but, yes, ALL women are dirty little sluts. You will not admit it to me. You will probably not admit it to your friends or even yourself. Be mindful of what 'dirty little slut' connotes to your socially -programmed mind however.

Actually, you're an insecure and depressed "man", if i can even call you that, and you have such a twisted view of the world that you should just give up the fight while you're at it. you've already been dissected by the people on this forum as the guy who sits at his computer in a cum stained shirt eating corn chips, so give up. women are not sluts, women are women are human beings. on the contrary, you dont seem to be a man or even a worthy human the way you talk about women. I won't "admit" what you say because it isn't true. but what i will admit is that you suck.

oh, and this is how i imagine you look like, or at least you do inside:

 

I like this one better. He has outcast, elitist nerd, written all over him.



Nepenthean if youi hadn't take the time to call us all apathetic morons i would have hesitated to post this. What really do you expect with a thread like this?

 

Its true that nice guys dont always win, following chivalry to a T gets few guys anywhere, but there is still a great difference bettween the views that you need to be a 'nice guy' and that you need to use 'force'. There is a time and a place for everything, but neither to its extreme.

If i had to guess Nepenthean, you used to be a 'nice guy' but realized it was getting you nowhere as you let one woman, after another walk over you untill you had enough of it. Now you feel that women need to be forced into sexual situations for you to get anywhere, you want to be the 'bad boy,' to put it in common terms. Women may enjoy the 'bad boy', but know the 'nice guy' would be better to them(hence why women say they want a nice guy). However, the 'bad boy' image does not imply rape is enjoyable, unless you take it to an unhealthy extreme.

if you are seeking success Nepenthean, or any guy, there is a middle ground that you need to find. its different for everyone, but being either the extreme 'nice guy' or a rapist isnt the way to go.

 

doing that you'd also have to throw your coat on puddles and such, wich is weird

 

That's not attractive. It's not suave. It's not a sign of a "strong man." It's a sign of someone weak enough that they have to go around victimizing people PHYSICALLY so that they can tell themselves that they are strong. And then tell hipforums.

 

Thanks for the replies. I will respond as I feel impelled.

So someone says he would have hesitated responding had it not been for my calling others 'apathetic morons'. Wow that is one great motivation for contributing to an online board: "Oh, this guy is condescending to me in my perception; therefore, I must respond." If I had called you a boot-licking, illiterate pantywaste, would you have sent me 100$US?

Another posts a picture of one of our fellow human brothers underscored with 'unglypeople.com', yet she also claims 'one love...' for her sig. I think the contradiction here is evident. First she says someone is ugly, then she purports to espouse a position of 'one love'. This is nothing but saying one thing then doing another, which is hypocrisy. But I bet this one is too ensconced in her 'hippie one-love' mindset to even muse over what I offer her mind through this response. Be it so. Everyone at her own time will come to the undoing of her thought system.

My time at this board is completed. I thank you for your participation in this exchange. I ask each of you to consider what you perceive in me based on the images and feelings my words invoke in your minds and hearts may exist exclusively in YOUR minds and hearts. This has been a lesson in projection: What you disown in yourselves will be projected onto an external world thereby CREATING what you perceive AS an outer world. Yet, all the while, the undersirable you insist is I really lies within your tortured minds. And for that I only want your and my release from the confines of a self-afflicted situation. From this space of reconciling what I think is not mine from what I think IS mine, I just simply offer gratitude. You all have taught me more of myself than you will ever know. Indeed you have been my teachers through which Spirit has sought to extend Itself.

Until our paths converge again, I will remain...

 

"Another posts a picture of one of our fellow human brothers underscored with 'unglypeople.com', yet she also claims 'one love...' for her sig. I think the contradiction here is evident. First she says someone is ugly, then she purports to espouse a position of 'one love'. This is nothing but saying one thing then doing another, which is hypocrisy. But I bet this one is too ensconced in her 'hippie one-love' mindset to even muse over what I offer her mind through this response. Be it so. Everyone at her own time will come to the undoing of her thought system."

actually that was out of humor and thats the first thing i saw on the search engine when i typed in "loser". i didn't write the caption, or say the person was ugly. thats just how i image you sitting there on your computer trying to get attention, talking about your non existant sex life. ONE LOVE