For those who have done Salvia: do you regret it?

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If you don't want to be a part of it, then don't be a part of it, but don't insult me for using an intelligent, analytical look at salvia and DMT. I answered all of your questions, more than adequately. The only way you couldn't have recognized that is if your head is stuck up your ass, which doesn't seem too far from the realm of possibilities.
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This argument's a real buzz kill.

Not very hippy-like of anybody, as far as I can tell.

 

No shit...

 

2cesarewild, you quite clearly you dont know anything about salvia, and are now arrogantly defending your own foolish speeh. its the irrelivent sarcasm that shows it. you have no facts, just general mish mash. i suggest you check out sagewisdom.org

 

and hippie is not a religion. you are why the true movement died.

 

Wtf? You want to know why the sarcasm is relevant? Cause this guy took one liners so seriously that he passed ultimate judgement, and continued to act like he stands on some pedestal above the rest. Pfft he doesn't read threads, he familiarizes himself with them, and his responses are all 'intelligent.' Yet I'm the arrogant one. Don't forget his whole paragraph on the reagants used to synthesize dmt! You wanna talk about relevance, shove the relevance up your ass, while you look at my profile, the one that you just select shit from a drop down to fill out. I don't have a religion you pompous twits, so I chose whatever. My personal political, religious, social beliefs DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING here. MY RIGHT to think that salvia sucks without being talked down to like a goddam 12 year old kid huffing gasoline by some egotistical nothing is what this is about. The OP can formulate their own decisions; they'd be a fool if th ey didn't research elsewhere. My opinion is my opinion, I've come to it through my experiences. TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

I don't know anything about salvia because I don't get anything out of it? You people are a joke, you can't handle someone who has a different opinion than you so you talk shit. I've experienced salvia many times, tried to 'learn' from it, and I didn't learn shit from it, did the opposite. All I got was black outs, massive confusion, and inability to comtemplate ANYTHING for a short period of time after the main effects. I read sagewisdom before I even tried it! Can you handle that? Or do you want to tell me how I should feel about my life experiences. Or maybe it's my 'duty' to explain every little thing I feel about all drug experiences I have.

Since you've motivated me to response, let's take a look at what has happened here.

I ask perspective of what, you say your personal experiences are irrelevant to the discussion, then how did you come to your conclusions about salvia sep? What perspective are you going to have if not your own? Were you not the subject of your personal experiences? Alright then. Your experiences have everything to do with the discussion. Otherwise, you wouldn't have an opinion on the topic. (I hope you wouldn't just figuratively copy and paste the opinions of others)

You answer in nothing but ambiguities, you even say "it's a generality" in regards to what you've learned. Doesn't sound like you've learned a 'vast plethora' of anything. You're a tool, keep calling yourself intelligent and others arrogant. Why not just ask me why I think salvia sucks, or why sunsets can't learn anything on it. No, instead you go off into 'intelligent' judgements, based off of next to nothing. All I see are sorry attempts to prove that your opinion is the king, and that all of ours are meaningless.

ANswer adequately? Come on buddy let's look at the questions I asked. IN response to how a synthetic is any safer or more harmful than nature, you respond with a list of reagants and the harm they individually do. WRONG. Wait, do I need to give an in depth run down of why this is fallacious reasoning, or can you 'intelligent' folk figure it out?

When I ask you how salvia is proven safe, you send me a letter that is asking the .gov to not schedule it. BECAUSE ONE OF THE VERY FEW PEOPLE TO EVEN RESEARCH THE HERB WANTS TO DO MORE RESEARCH. NO harmful effects at all are listed, do you really believe that it does no harm at all? Do you think that with the limited amount of research done they can even speculate as to what kind of damage it can do to your psyche?

You answer every question with nonsense, and all the while you act like a twit, then you pull an ad hominem with a freakin arbritarily chosen drop down. My head MUST be in my ass cause it smells like bullshit in here.

You high holy rollers, really piss me off. Someone uses in a manner you don't approve of, you throw your nose in the air. Someone has a different opinion, you have to attempt to prove that their opinion is invalid for whatever reason until you run out of reasons.

Luckily I have horrible insomnia so you people can have something to feed on tomorrow. O and tarantism, fuck off, let's hear from the 18 year old kid what the 'true' movement is, THE true movement at that. Make a thread about it and tell everyone what it's all about. lol MAKE A THREAD ON THE INTERNET to tell people about the true movement. I almost just vomited on my socks.

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Mad sad beef's goin down. You been listening to this song a lot lately? You ever hear the old version where it's all sped up like their on crack and meth?

 

Sad beef indeed, grade f. The one from the sixties? yeeee, I listen to GD a lot all the time, but I just wanna get the fuck away, that's why I been singing that song.

 

oh ok. it is a good song though.

 

Be careful, man. Insomnia, vomitting on your socks... I don't want you to get an aneurysm on my account...

You didn't post an opinion, you just said it "sucks"- there's no reasoning behind it. If you're going to take the time to tell people it sucks, why don't you just be upfront about the whole fucking thing from the get-go? I'm not calling myself intelligent; in the long run, I don't even matter. I'm just advocating using intelligent arguments, rather than going on a fucking tirade about how I'm on a pedastal and how I'm "so wise." I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, I'm saying you're banal for not explaining why you feel that salvia "sucks."

The individual events of my personal experiences still remain irrelevant, the fact that I used salvia to reach a different perspective is the ultimate point of the experience. I'm not commenting on my experiences, because you never commented on why salvia sucks. I feel no need to provide my experience if you're not going to do the same thing, which I was prompting you to do in the first place. The point of salvia isn't to take it and try to get something out of it immediately; it's a meditative herb. If you go into it expecting it to be like any other drug, you're not going to like it. It takes patience of mind, letting go, and contemplating and reflecting after the experience to fully understand the effects. Salvia can take you back to past points in time, as I have experienced (I don't feel the need to share my personal past with you, since you're obviously too fucking idle to understand the basic precepts of this entire thread, not to mention intelligent discussion)

It's not my job to prove to you that salvia is safe, or that DMT is unsafe- I listed out the reagents, because you never completely remove the chemical properties in a synthetic. That's a fact; common knowledge, logical conclusion. All research that's coming out all points to salvia being a completely safe herb. Let's just think about this; would it be better to eat a 100% natural organic-fed beef hamburger or one pumped full of artificial fillers and sythentic shit? Hmm, I dunno... The research is out there, I gave you the inch- take the mile for yourself, dumbass.

Agree to disagree... Jesus Christ.

 

haha. im no hippie, man. i just read. and quite frankly, i dont care about your opinion, cause it isnt mine and i dont agree. thats not a problem. just dont mind mine.

 

"Let's just think about this; would it be better to eat a 100% natural organic-fed beef hamburger or one pumped full of artificial fillers and sythentic shit? Hmm, I dunno... The research is out there, I gave you the inch- take the mile for yourself, dumbass."

that like saying alcohol, heroin, cocaine, or datura,is healthier for you than lsd

 

i thought heroin was synthetic opium? you can find opium in the "opium poppy". i dont know of any place to find heroin in nature. know any?

 

Heroin is a semi-synthetic opiate. Morphine is natural.

 

yep, like LSD is a semi-synthetic tryptamine. LAA is natural.

the functional groups attached to the natural molecules increase potency exponentially.

 

"It's not my job to prove to you that salvia is safe, or that DMT is unsafe- I listed out the reagents, because you never completely remove the chemical properties in a synthetic. That's a fact; common knowledge, logical conclusion."

this is an invalid statement, based on some flawed logic. If you are referring to the intrinsic properties of the respective reagents used in the synthesis of various compounds, they are completely absent from the end product, assuming a complete reaction has taken place, solvents evaporated, and product recrystalized. What you are then left with is a pure compound that is identical to the active component found in a natural source, minus other compounds with less desirable properties. The governing factor is electrostatic and inter/intramolecular forces.

even if a product degrades, it merely decomposes to an oxidized (or hydrolyzed, if the compound is hygroscopic) form of the precursor, but the potentially hazardous reagents used to create the product, are still absent.

 

thanks for that info.