Fla. church organizing burning of Quran

Muslim science..

One I particularly love is Jābir ibn Hayyān

 

Hmmm.

 

Did you call them fuckface? You need to clean up the potty mouth an put the principles of Christianity into practice. Hatred is unbecoming to a Christian.

Most of the problems you mention for Islam are a result of fundamentalism, which we also have a lot of in this country. Fundamentalists are mostly critics of science, not contributors to it in any creative sense (yes, some have science degrees, but they practice apologetics instead of science.) Give them enough power, wheter they're Muslim or Christian, and this country will be a shithole too.

 

I lived in Morocco for awhile. Nice people, nice country. Authoritarian, to be sure, but I had no problems. If I burned a Bible in Oklahoma, I'd probably be skinned alive.The Imam at our local mosque in Oklahoma was very supportive during the deaths of my Mom and my brother. You need to get to know more Muslims.

 

So you are telling me in all of those countries this is carried out by the state?

Everywhere in the world where Islam rules is a shit hole. Women are whipped for the slightest infraction. They're stoned to death. They're burned alive. Acid is thown into their faces. They are equal to a man's cow or horse - maybe. Preaching Christ is punishable by death.

I'm not even certain all those countries are actually run under Islamic law, and don't just have a majority Muslim population. I'll do some more research, but I think you have just trotted out a bunch of Muslim dominated countries, to be honest. I know for certain all those practices you mention are not prelevant in all of those countries you mention.
So I do think you are still talking in generalities.

Don't get me wrong, some of those countries do carry out stoning, and a few other brutish (by our standards) behaviour...but not all of them and not all of the e.gs you gave.
I have even given a few e.gs of the stoning of teenagers.

Btw, what about the second question I asked?

 

Have you been to any of those places? You show your ignorance by trying to equate countries like Turkey to Saudi Arabia...

Also, how are the Christian parts of Africa doing?

 

So do you think female converts to Islam are stupid for being Muslim by choice?
Is it the written words or how some Muslims have interpreted those words that is the real problem?

When Jerry Springer: The Opera was aired on TV here - five years ago - TV executives, the cast and the writer received death threats.
I think some followers of Christianity and Islam can have a distinct lack of a sense of humour sometimes. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article410579.ece

How many do you think do that?
The majority of the time it is the same groups protesting anything they don't like rather than a ground-swell of outrage.

E.g (Regarding the current issue):

About 60 protesters stood outside chanting and banging on the door of the embassy in Regent Terrace. Their chants included: "Obama terrorist" and "Down, down America."

What, prey tell, has Obama and America got to do with this issue?
It seems, it is just Islamic groups or anti-American groups whipping up outrage with inacurate information, just like the pastor himself.
Extremists arguing with extremists (for the most part).

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/196542-afghan-group-in-edinburgh-protest-over-us-koran-burning/

There are endless threads, here, claiming the Jewish faith is evil and is slowly pushing Jews to kill all non Jews etc etc etc.
How true do you think that is?
The e.gs most give for this are from ultra orthodox right wing Jews/groups...and scholars from nearly 1000 years ago, who, like Christian Scholars, took the scripures literally and think their religion was law...or just run-of-the-mill anti-semites.

Most Jewish people would find these people as mad as most non Jews.
Think about it, 1 person with approx 50 followers has totally drowned out every other reasonable voice on behalf of Christianty...and some people are protesting not just the pastor but America, Obama and I would imagine the whole of western civilisation. Fair? I don't think so.
This does not make me, personally, think Christianty or Christians are all evil and bonkers per se.

I think most of the e.gs you/we hear about religion and religious people will be more about how the religion is being interpreted and how those people are implementing the religion.
I guess the Taliban are a good e.g of bad people (on the whole) interpreting/implementing their religion in a bad way (to put it mildly).
Do you seriously believe the vast majority of Muslims are keen on being stoned to death, being flogged to within an inch of their lives or think honour killings is a fab idea and all these things are allowed in Muslim dominated countries?

I think, in the case of stoning, it isn't even a religious observance more cultural one - how they have always punished certain crimes.
If you believe this (and I'm not asking you to):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning
Then it is a Jewish practice too.

So, again, is it the religion or those practising the religion? (...the text will never change).
Within Christianity, I believe (pardon the pun), they get around the more questionable elements by quoting from the New rather than the Old testament.
Islam can't evolve in that way but the people interpreting it can, imho...
If you believe most Muslims Islam is (and always has been) a peaceful faith...and if you believe a lot of right wing Islamaphobes it isn't...
I guess it depends who you wish to believe.
I personally think most religions are peaceful, and where they say do this or that, many times, it is merely reflecting the practises of the time: such as stoning...It isn't the religion itself saying do that.
Islam didn't invent stoning, for e.g.

I think you are right about having/accepting too many viewpoints.

 

To answer the first question, that really depends on the person, just like with any religion. I think people that swallow any religious doctrine whole without questioning it possesses a certain degree of stupidity.
As for the second question, I can't make that judgement call. I've never read the Koran. I've read it quoted in various places but thats about it. However,it is probably a little bit of both.

aint that the truth.

this is probably true. However, a relatively small group of fanatics can cause more damage than you would think.

its rather scary isn't it?

I"m sure that statement is very true. I've seen those threads for myself. Sorry don't mean to be a smart ass...
It is probably as true as any statement made about Islam.

not at all, but that is unfortunately how people operate.

absolutely not. I think that political leaders use Islam for manipulative, political purposes much in the way the Catholic Church has used Christianity for centuries. However, when the people in power use a religion for evil purposes, this has a much bigger impact than the millions of peaceful, quiet worshippers across the world. This is what makes any religion dangerous.

oh i'm aware. I remember all too well the prostitute that was going to be stoned in the Bible. Great story and one that people of all different faiths could learn something from.

again, it is both. Those that practice the religion are the ones that are interpreting its text. Its easy to take a quote out of the Koran about killing infidels (I'm been told by numerous people that there are plenty of scriptures in the Koran concerning that particular subject matter. I dont personally know, but bear with me while I use it as an example) and take it all too literally. The same is true with the Bible.

yes but the political leaders at the time use the religion to further their agenda. Like I said before,this makes it more dangerous, not less. It isn't the fault of the religion, but any religion is absolutely nothing until man takes it and blows life into it. Its all left to intepretation. Some interpret it in a way that seems evil to many people. Some interpret it in a more gentle way.

Yes but i see no problem with that. My mother always defined intelligience as holding two opposing views in opposite hands and making sense of them Being able to do this enables me to listen to my friend, an american GI who served a tour in Iraq, as he shares his opinion that Islam is a dangerous religion that will not rest until it takes over the entire world. It also enables me to listen to you, a person who sees the more gentle side to the religion. I'll assimilate these two opposing viewpoints into something that works for me.

 

Thank you, Matt Frei....

Anyhoo, I understand Terry Jones's next event will be a public incineration of The Autobiography of Terry Jones to draw the world's attention to the important issue of Terry Jones....

 

Yes...and stupid.

Reading your responses I sense you are expressing both perspectives at the same time.
It's nice that you are self aware enough to aknowledge you are making a choice at the end of the day.
You do seem to have come to the same conclusion as your GI friend, though.
I would wonder what your perspective of Islam would be if a relatively small group of people didn't bastardise it and use it for their own goals...or why not celebrate how the majority practice their religion and not allow the minority to colour your perspective if you understand it is the interpretation not the religion at fault.

Ok, lets not go there...one religion at a time, eh?

 

I used to have a text tile telling of the scriptures in the Holy Bible telling what crimes could be committed. I read it sometime back and confirmed the scriptures. If I can find it I'll post it here.

Funny how the Holy Bible can say the sky is green, and all is ok. But if the Quran says the sky is green, it's hell and damnation? WTF?

To top it off, today it's Christianity vs. Islam. Next is....who?
We already know that Prostestants and Catholics are or were fighting in Ireland. Is it gonna be the Mormons against the Hari Krishna's? Buddhists vs. Jehovah's Witnesses?
Damn. If it ain't right for white to fight blacks because of color, what makes it anymore more just for Christians and Muslims to fight over religion? Is religious persecution less important than racial persecution?

I don't like what the Muslims extremists are doing, but I sure don't like what the Christians extremists are doing either. And no they are not "Christian Fundamentalists" either. Extremists never are Fundamentalists, because they would rather love than hate, if they were.

 

i'd pay to watch that . . .

 

There is no G-d ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE5KzmVL7X0"]YouTube - Stephen Hawking: "God did not create the universe"
:leaving:

 

Then why do you capitalize the label and put a "-" in place of the "o"?

 

^^^ good manners

 

Good manners.....in a religious war. Gotcha.

 

Whats the big deal Christians are always burning shit, Albums, books, people...

The real crime is the idiotic media outlets that give this kind of ignorance national coverage.

 

who's at war?

besides, good manners should always be a part of warfare, don't you think?

 

Alla geneva

 

I try not to use the word G-D for comical stuff..

If I was to use GOD in a sentence I would say, "I believe in GOD"..