First They Came...

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by Joshua Tree, Nov 30, 2014.

  1. Joshua Tree

    Joshua Tree Remain In Light

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    First they came for the unemployed, and I did not speak out - because I was employed.

    Then they came for the sick, and I did not speak out - because I was not sick.

    Then they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out - because I was not an immigrant.


    Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
     
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  2. red_eyed_rida

    red_eyed_rida Member

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    Interesting.. Will they come back again?
     
  3. Harpo

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    They forgot their umbrella
     
  4. Joshua Tree

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    The Tories might come back again, though at the moment they're roughly tied with Labour on around 31%,
    which wouldn't be enough for an outright majority for them I don't think.

    http://www.ukpolitical.info/General_election_polls.htm

    What seems more possible is that the SNP may acquire up to 40 odd seats in the UK Parliament from Labour.

    So we could end up with a Labour / SNP coalition next year, which would be a damn sight better
    than the Lib Dem / Tory coalition which we have at the moment.
     
  5. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    It would be less bad, that's as far as I'd go.

    Trouble is, the tories have done a lot of damage, and labour won't do very much to reverse any of it judging from the noises they're making at the moment. Basically, they're all the same neo-liberals. It's just a question of a different style and tone.

    I'd like to vote Green next time, but I'll probably end up voting Lab, as they do have a chance to take the seat where I live off the tory incumbent.
     
  6. Joshua Tree

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    I think it's much more than just style and tone.

    Predictions from Osborne's Autumn statement are that a further ONE MILLION public sector jobs would go by 2020:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30325053


    Given the dire state of public services as they stand, this would be catastrophic for those who depend on them,
    which is virtually everyone but the rich - i.e. the Tories' natural allies and donors.

    Labour would also make cuts, but on nothing like this scale.
     
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    Labour would be less bad as I said.

    But nothing fundamental will change if they get in and 5 years down the line we could get the tories back.
     
  8. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill Lifetime Supporter

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    Who else can we turn to - for which will succeed,
    Replacing these comics, with a dynamic lead,
    Sadly, confidence is limited, there seems little hope,
    But we people are British, we will surely cope.
    :)
     
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  9. tonydoe420

    tonydoe420 Banned

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    the worrying thing is people are really angry at politicians. like i have never seen before. this is a good thing but the worrying thing is this anger is allowing right wing and extreme right wing to creep in to politics. and that really scares me. i can really see Ukip and nationalist parties being in parliament after the 2015 election. i have to admit i have become very disillusioned with England and its people.
     
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    I'm all for shrinking the state, anyone who has ever had dealings with the state will know how inefficient and antiquated it is and if the Tories remove 1m salaries and unaffordable pensions from the public purse and the private sector takes up the slack then that can only be a good thing.

    We all know that the UK has to shrink its deficit and it has to be a case of whatever it takes.

    I think the Coalition have done a decent job in trying to fix the mess that Labour left, all things considered.

    I say this as a Glaswegian who voted 'Yes' in the recent referendum :)
     

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