Fiddle and the Drum

Well, it does.... thank you. I am curious of what you base your racist accusation on. I remember reading numerous posts by you that I found to be strongly racially biased. In the 'color of Jesus' thread. I can only repeat that the psychology test I took found me to be mildly biased in favour of whites. I can accept that result. You, on the other hand, make assumptive statements that belie a strong pro-white sentiment.
If I am racist, then please answer these questions to help me learn more about myself.
What race ( there is only one- the human race.) am I so biased towards or against as to earn 'biggest racist' honors?
What is your ethnicity? So I can decide if I like you or not....lol
Do you agree with interracial marriages?
Have you been in an interracial relationship. I have been in three.
What do you say about my belief that it is true that different nationalities do have their own individual quirks and differences, that make them who they are.

 

"Have you been in an interracial relationship. I have been in three."

LOL! Blackie.. you never let me down with classics like those!

You have a dilema.
You state there is only 'one race-the human race' - then in the same sentence go on to imply their are indeed different 'Races' of people.

You do it again with your comments about 'InterRacial' marriages.

In fact, you claim to have dated women from different 'races' than yours.

In YOUR case, you are refering to their physical appearance - not their nationality.

That is why you are a big racist!
You believe their are 'Races' of humans based on their physical colouring and facial features.

 

I guess you got me there. Interracial relationship is a phrase that I used cuz it is very descriptive of those relationships, in a way that others, who have not experienced the stigmas associated with it, will know what I am talking about.
There is only one race, like I said, not you, I said that, as you confirm. You did not say that, and the only points you can scrape up to criticize are semantics.
What would you have had me call them? You didnt answer my question, either, as usual.
Evasion, rabbit trails, red herrings, distraction, changing the subject.
Those are your calling cards, toon, you haven't answered dozens of my questions to you. Instead, you have used every tactic known to humankind to avoid answering.
I don't care, though, becuz, if I am a racist, as you claim, then all the folks that have criticized me for my choices of partners......

what are they?


Here, I dare you to answer this one, lets see if you will.
Do you agree that there is only one race?
come on toon, answer for once.
Yes or No?
I bet you won't give a straight answer.

 

Consider this.

I have repeatedly critisised you as a Racist because of your belief their different 'Races' based on physical colouring and facial features.

..And your confused as to my position on this?

My position is pretty clear - everyone traces their great great grandfather back to Noah.

'Races' would refer to cultures.
i.e. Israelis are a different 'Race' than Jordanians, even though they might physicaly have the same 'colouring' or 'facial features'.

i.e. Jesse Jackson and Dick Cheney are from the same 'Race' because they are both Americans living and 'competing' in the USA 'Race'.

You however believe that Bill Cosby is a 'different type of human' because he has a more extreme facial and colour variation than Dick CHeney.

Thats because your whats called a 'Racist'.
(btw.. So is Jesse Jackson.. so you have good company)

 

Yes or no, brocktoon, that was all i wanted, yes or no.. you go on ranting a bunch of mumbo jumbo that is entertaining, for sure, but totally nonsensical.

I knew you would not let me down.

Btw, the Noah's ark myth was cribbed from the Sumerians during the captivity.

All descended from Noah, that is so appropriate, since the story of his sons has been used by Christian folk as somehow making slavery okay.... though I never could quite follow that warped line of reasoning. Something about Ham had to serve Canaan so people with dark skin are supposed to be slaves or something. I am glad you reminded me of that.

lol,
I just knew you could not do it, toon, I knew it.

 

I think its cute you are pretending 'as if' Im answering to you, or that 'you' are the one trying to 'get a straight answer'.

Clearly I hold the traditional position there are NO Races of humans.

YOU believe there are.
Then
YOU believe there are not.

 

Well, thank you for that, I appreciate your clarity. I did not suspect you would call the position that there are no races, traditional, though. I understand how that is possible, but for others who may not, why don't you explain how that position could be traditional?
After all, for centuries science, the laws, the societal norms, and morals of the Western world have clearly been at odds with it.
I believe there is, as I have said all along, one race, the human race.
I am very strongly opposed to the discrimination that has been, and still continues to be, felt by some members of our society. Whatever you call it, it is predjudice, and it is wrong. If you feel that by calling such bigots racists, implies that I believe in different races, so be it. I will try to stick to the term bigots from now on to clear up any confusion. Though, I must tell you, you are the only person so thick as to not clue in to my meaning. Even overtly bigotted people at least get my point.

 

There are different races in this world. Regardless what you think about Noah.

You cannot change the english language to fit into your logic.

race
n.

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
2. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.


rac·ism
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

People are all people. (ie. the human race). "Race" is just the term used to classify people geograhically or by nationality, or by history. I'm sorry if you don't like the term, Brocktoon, but you cannot change the english language to fit your opinion. There ARE different races of people. It is a means of classification.

As you can see from the definitions above there is also a huge difference between the definition of "race" and "racism". It is completely possible to talk about a paticular race without implying that they are somehow inferior.

If I use the term "the human race" am I being a racist? Admitting that there are Aisians in this world, or Germans, or whatever does not make a person racist. I am Irish...so now am I being racist against myself?

But really, this is really a stupid thing to debate about. You will get better logic from a tree than from Brocktoon.

 

Dear confused Sarah.

For starters, the english language is the mechanism by which we are communicating ideas.
Changing the spelling, pronunciation or grammatical rules of english will have no bearing on anything here.

I think what you meant was 'You cant change the dictionary definition'?

Actually, Yes I can.
So do you.

A Dictionary is ONLY collecting what PEOPLE are doing and meaning when they use certain words.

Its only documenting what are 'typical' use and meanings - at that particular time, in that particular culture.

Example: If enough people start using the word 'Gay' to refer to homosexual sex - then the Dictionary is only documenting that.

Recently the word 'Gay' is used to communicate the idea of silly and needless things (i.e. Your Posts are Gay).

The next dictionaries will simply list this.

The Dictionary is NOT 'Telling YOU' what is Gay, whats not, whether its 'good' or even grammatic, properly spelled or helpful wording.

now move on to part two..........

 

Here is were Blackie and Sarah are both way off:

'Racism' (as I will explain THEIR definition of it) is NOT traditional and is, in fact, a very very recent phenominon.

By Racism we mean the belief that their are different types of human being which are categorised as such based on skin colour and facial features.
(Superficial appearances)

No where in human history did people categorise people based on superficial appearances.
Think Im kidding you?
Just try and find references to 'Negroids' vs 'Mongoloids' vs 'Caucaziods' anywhere prior to the 1800's.
In ANY literature.

People categorised other people by 'Nationality' or 'Ethnicity'.. but you can spend hundreds of hours reading all kinds of ancient texts and NEVER find reference to 'Negro' Class of humans 'as different' than the 'Asian type Humans' etc etc.

Thats because the way we currently define the word 'Race' is a new idea which never really became accepted as 'Fact' until this last century.

It was called 'Evolutionism' and some people decided that humans were actually morphed from soup.
The soup turned into 'Apes' and different kinds of Apes turned into Human beings.

The 'Negro' Apes developed into a 'kind' of human being called today 'The Blacks'

Since 'Negro's' are found in Africa, many teachers instructed that they were still closer to their 'Ape' heritage.

The Apes that turrned into 'Caucasians' were clearly farther 'morphed' away from being animals and were a 'different level or type of human'

A few years ago, the powers that be insisted this be taught as 'Fact' to schoolchildren.
One of those students named Adolf decided to base his world view on this 'Fact'.

People like BlackGuard insist that a girl with black/brown skin is some different type of human ancestor than he.
He believes she is evolved from a different branch of 'Ape' than he is.

Its called Racism.

There is no such thing as 'reverse racism' either.

When you categorise people based on superficial characteristics (though they may have no cultural or national distinction otherwise, like Jesse Jackson and Dick Cheney) - then you are practicing Racism.

 

People like BlackGuard insist that a girl with black/brown skin is some different type of human ancestor than he.
He believes she is evolved from a different branch of 'Ape' than he is.

Its called Racism.

There is no such thing as 'reverse racism' either.

Hey Brocktoon, Fuck you, and if I was standing in front of you, I'd punch you in the mouth you fucking bastard. It was fucking assholes like you that added a tension to all of the public outings my beautiful, wonderful, black partner and I went on. We had to deal with fucks like you that assume bullshit and cover their asses by claiming we are somehow the bigots. Just for lying so blatantly about my feelings towards my ex, in such a classless and crude, base manner, I swear, in her honor, I'd smack you one, you goof.
Reverse racism is just a stupid attempt to not give up anything of the spoils gained from generations of bigotry.
So, do you still think it is more likely Germans had a hand in the Great Pyramid than Nubians? You fucker.
No offense.

 

No where in human history did people categorise people based on superficial appearances.
Think Im kidding you?
Just try and find references to 'Negroids' vs 'Mongoloids' vs 'Caucaziods' anywhere prior to the 1800's.
In ANY literature.

People categorised other people by 'Nationality' or 'Ethnicity'.. but you can spend hundreds of hours reading all kinds of ancient texts and NEVER find reference to 'Negro' Class of humans 'as different' than the 'Asian type Humans' etc etc.

Thats because the way we currently define the word 'Race' is a new idea which never really became accepted as 'Fact' until this last century.
Brocktoon.


Bullshit.


Ancient Greeks and Romans wrote extensively that they were a superior "race"
to both the dumb yet strong blonds up north and the timid yet smart black people to the south. Ancient Roman writer Vitruvius explains this in detail in one of his books.

The information you got is either made up by you, a damn lie, or you just didn't do your homework, Brocktoon, which was it?

 

Everything you just said proves my points exactly.

Your railing on about your 'Black' girlfriend proves your racism.
If she had red-hair and freckles you wouldnt go about callign her your 'Interracial' 'RED' girlfriend would you?

Why do you keep refering to your ex girlfriend as if she was 'a black'?

Why is her 'primary' description of her being Skin Colour?
You dont even say "I dated a 23 year old"
or
"A pretty girl"
or
"A Talll Girl"

Instead your primary identification of her is 'A BLack' from a 'different Race'?

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.
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You absolutely demonstrate exactly how Romans and Greeks did NOT believe in Races in the modern sense of 'Types of Human' but rather - NATIONALITY and CULTURE.
Yep, they certainly believed the GREEK RACE was superior to anyone else, however notice that Greeks could be anywhere from very very dark with short curly hair.... all the way to blonde, green eyes and pale skin.

Same goes for Romans.

And yet.. they categorised people by CULTURE.

A Blonde Greek and a Dark Greek would have both sat and agreed their race (Greek) was superior to the Barbarians (who may have been dark black or light blonde)

Thanks again for proving my points you big Hitler-loving Redneck!

 

1. I have already admitted that I am not immune from bias. You seem to miss the point I keep making, which is that the reason I even bothered to mention my relationship was in order to try to share some of our experiences of being discriminated against, and interrogated by, people like you.
2. As for the Greek and Roman quotes that I have read, you are as usual, dead wrong. The authors I read specifically referred to skin colour in their explanations of why they 'the olive skinned ones', were the perfect balance.

So, do you think you will ever admit you were showing your Eurocentric bias when you made the ludicrous claim that Germans were more likely to have had a hand in the construction of the pyramids than the Nubians?
I think not, cuz you still believe that poppycock, don't you?

 

BlackGaurd...

Im not going to bother going through posts from 2 weeks ago, but hopefully you will before beaking off again.

I took a position that the Egyptians built the Pyramids.
I suggested that Egypts enormous and vast Cosmopolitan civilisation MAY have included all kinds of experts, specialists or workers.

Its certainly possibly Egyptians hired some Germanic people .. heck, they might even have had some Nubians in there too.

Read that again.

YOU were the racist who insisted that 'Blacks' built the Pyramids (because according to you Egyptians were not up to the task?).

YOU insisted that Germans (Meaning Germanic or 'Europeans') could NOT have had anything to do with building the Pyramids.

I personally have NEVER heard or seen ANY good evidence that either Sub-Saharan Africans OR Germanic people had any important role in building the Pyramids.

Unlike you, Im open-minded enough to accept the possibility, based on the general accepted understanding of the time period and culture.

 

You are so blind to your bias it boggles the mind...
Still adamantly standing by your ludicrous claim...I expected nothing less.
You reminded of one of the many other questions of mine you conveniently neglected to answer.
You said that Egypt was 'technically' in Africa, and when I asked what you meant by that, I don't recall your explanation ever being offered.
Technically in Africa....hmmm

And above here, you reiterate your contention, albeit much more subtly, that Germans, a people living in mud huts, across the sea were more likely to be involved than African people right next door on Egypts southern border. How do I arrive at this conclusion you may ask.
The word 'even'

Germans are 'certainly possible', while Nubians 'might even' have helped.
You are amazingly blind to your own bias, sir.
I have not once said Egyptians were not up to the task, either, liar.
And I notice you still seem to think Africans, 'blacks' as you put it, are not Egyptians?
Don't forget, you begrudgingly admitted already that Egypt is 'technically' in Africa.

sad, really

 

Dear Captain Oblivious:

You were the half-wit who announced that 'Africans' built the pyramids.
TEASING you I pointed out how 'Technically Correct' you had been.

Its Called Irony. Or.. Making fun of YOU. 'Technically' is taking the piss out of YOUR ridiculous all-encompassing description of 'Africans'.

and because your a Racist - you decided that everyone living in Africa must be 'Blacks' (as you call em) or somehow 'All the Same People'?

I suppose you think there is some 'Race' of people called 'Africans'.

If you have some reason to believe Nubians were involved in building the Pyramids - Please share or shut the fuck up already.

You dont even know what your 'Challenging' me about anyway you moron!

 

whatever floats your boat
if you get yer jollies making fun of others, and have to qualify the location of Egypt with the term 'technically', go for it. It is far beyond my comprehension.

And ya, I do think we are all the same people you bigotted piece of shit.
If you were on fire I wouldn't piss on you to put you out.

 

Tell us again how 'Africans' built the Pyramids.
That was pretty funny.

"But Egypt IS in Africa!"

Classic

 

hey, you're starting to catch on.....good for you
so you see now that it is not in fact next to Germany, and a part of Europe

well done

I am proud of your big leap in comprehension, keep it up

next we can try to work on that 'technically' in Africa qualifier you used. You'll soon come to see it is totally unnecessary.

My ex, Sharon used to tell me there were folks who didn't like Egypt being in Africa, and I laughed. I didn't believe her, but she was serious.
Then I heard comments like, well its in Africa, but not of Africa, and knew that I was a fool to laugh, but it seemed so improbable that someone could possibly resent a countries geographic location.
Please help me understand you do it?