Feds will not sue states over Marijuna laws

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    Freedom cannot be taken...only surrendered ...
     
  2. DdC

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    The vast majority of prohibitionists
    still profit on the drug war,...
    … and that is still their only motive... Damn It!


    POLICING FOR PROFIT

    You have to "fight the everlasting battle for the minds of men," in their standard phraseology, to indoctrinate and regiment them in the way that armies regiment their bodies.
    The Drug War Industrial Complex April, 1998
    Noam Chomsky interviewed by John Veit

    Medical Marijuana Folks Justifiably Scared
    Steve Sarich, a longtime medical marijuana firebrand, adds that patients in Washington are “justifiably scared” because of threats that state and federal law enforcement will go after any marijuana growing or selling that happens outside of the system created by I-502.

    Meanwhile, a more sanguine Muraco Kyashna-tocha, founder of the oldest medical marijuana dispensary in Washington, Green Buddha, thinks the state system will flood the market with cheap pot and run both medical marijuana growers and sellers out of town.

    Incrementalretardation…
    What happens when cops write initiatives.

    Follow CA or Bust’

    Poverty can lower your IQ,
    Almost All Rural Whites are In Poverty


    Drug mishandling may have tainted 40,000 cases

    Obama’s Perplexing Potpocalypse ecp
    The anti-marijuana campaign is a cancerous tissue of lies

    The Drug Worriers Should Be Busted by the (HUAC)
    House Committee on Un-American Activities

    Catch 22²

    Why Do YOU Think They Call it DOPE?
    * Cannabis Hemp: The Invisible Prohibition Revealed
    * The Elkhorn Manifesto
    * Marijuana and Hemp: The Untold Story
    * The Nation of Apathetic Puppets By John Pilger
    * Maintaining Dysfunction

    Al Capone and Watergate

    Exporting DEAmocracy
    You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.
    Blazing Saddles
    Like I said, the Prohibitionists and their groupies are living in an Airplane movie…
    Elaine : The gear is down and we’re ready to land.
    Kramer : Alright, he’s on final now, put out all runway lights except 9er.
    Towerguy: Captain, maybe we ought to turn on the search lights now.
    MCrosky : No, that’s just what they’ll be expecting us to do.

    Thou Dost Protest Too Much, Methinks

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    Someone at the Baptist Press has got their panties in a bunch
    Feds surrender on marijuana policy

    The People Who Profit from Marijuana Prohibition are Upset with the DOJ
    Single Convention threatened?
    Well, no, not really, but it’s fun to actually see articles suggesting that the U.S. should withdraw…

    To Make Marijuana Legalization a Reality, This Should be Obama’s Next Step by Jessie Bullock at PolicyMic

    Drug Agents Use Vast Phone Trove, Eclipsing N.S.A’s – NY Times
    It’s always the money
    The cops depend on drug war money from seizures and drug war funding… prisons, treatment centers, drug testing companies, federal agencies, politicians, and more all profit from prohibition.
    How dare we take this away from them?
    Delightful article from Ryan Grim on the reaction from some police groups… Police Groups Furiously Protest Eric Holder’s Marijuana Policy Announcement

    "At DEA, our mission is to fight drug trafficking in order to make drug use the most expensive, unpleasant, risky, and disreputable form of recreation a person could have."
    – Donnie Marshall,
    Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA)

    NeoConflicts of Interest
    MJ Research Cut as Support Grows
    Bush Barthwell & Drugs

    Andrea Barthwell WatchHere she sells her misguided and wrong-headed advice to grieving parents.

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    Drug Czar linked to deception
    - Drug Czar is Required by Law to Lie
    - UK’s Drugs Czar Fired For Marijuana Truths
    - Cover-Ups, Prevarications, Subversions & Sabotage
    - Anti-Drug Campaigns Dumb Down Vital Message
    - Calvina Fay Prohibition Inc.
    - GOP Mogul Behind Drug Rehab 'Torture' Centers

    DEAth's Michele M. Leonhart (Lying Heart)
    "NSA: The only part of government that listens."

    Drug Agents Use Vast Phone Trove, Eclipsing N.S.A’s – NY Times
    The government pays AT&T to place its employees in drug-fighting units around the country. Those employees sit alongside Drug Enforcement Administration agents and local detectives and supply them with the phone data from as far back as 1987.

    Drug mishandling may have tainted 40,000 cases

    Great Moments In Drug War Propaganda:
    25 videos of War on Drugs nonsense

    Guardian: The meaning of Martin Luther King’s speech:
    one of many pieces relating it to racist drug war

    The Voice: Black people have become victims of ‘war on drugs’:
    more on Release’s recent report

    Half of Mexicans say drug violence worse under Pena Nieto:
    Reuters poll

    Mexico Gulf Reporter: Mexico admits 52 daily drug war deaths under Peña Nieto: 12,598 through July 31

    How the war on drugs became a war on truth
    Toronto Star: Making up ‘mythical’ figures in US

    ‘Mexico’s war on drugs is one big lie’:corruption and collusion

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  3. Voyage

    Voyage Noam Sayin

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    All i can say is...

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  4. planb

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    can still be blocked at the local level
     
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    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    When the commies took over China, it was taken.
    When the commies took over Russia, it was taken.
    After 9/11 and the Patriot act was made, freedom was taken.

    Back when our founding fathers started this government, it was mandatory to grow Marijuana. It was used to make paper, clothes and rope. And all the founding fathers smoked it. Then the corporate States of America took control, and destroyed freedom in the name of their god, money.
     
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    You are wrong. The founding fathers did not smoke marijuana. If you think I'm wrong, provide your sources.
     
  8. NoxiousGas

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    actually I doubt there are any firm records, but it really wouldn't be that far out. Can you provide sources that says that they unequivocally did NOT smoke it?
    I could completely envision a hemp farmer also smoking it on occasion, especially if tobacco was in short supply. Plus any laws concerning it were most likely not about it's intoxicating properties.

    Also bear in mind that if growing true hemp, the cannabinoid content is extremely low compared to marijuana. So smoking true hemp would be akin to smoking tobacco, not the medical grade buds people grow today.

    But then again;
    1745-1775 - George Washington Grows Hemp

    "[George] Washington's diary entries indicate that he grew hemp at Mount Vernon, his plantation, for about 30 years [approximately 1745-1775]. According to his agricultural ledgers, he had a particular interest in the medicinal use of Cannabis, and several of his diary entries indicate that he indeed was growing Cannabis with a high Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content - marijuana."


    http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.timeline.php?timelineID=000026#1600-1899

    Up until the laws passed in the 30's prohibiting it's use, marijuana was often smoked as an asthma remedy among many other medicinal uses (it works by relaxing the bronchial tubes, I know it works from personal experience) among many other "home remedies".

    So I guess it looks as though they certainly could have smoked/ingested it and it would appear that GW was rather interested in it's intoxicating effects as well.
     
  9. Voyage

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    There are more ways to use marijuana than smoking, until prohibition the most common way to use marijuana was in tincture form, not smoking. It's almost a given that those historic guys used weed, most everyone did at one point or another.

    http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3005.html


    here's some cool old timey stuff :

    http://antiquecannabisbook.com/chap4/Tincture.htm

     
  10. LetLovinTakeHold

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    It was mandatory to grow hemp in one state for a short time, if you owned a certain amount of land.

    It was also possible to pay taxes with hemp in America for a while.

    Many of the founding fathers grew hemp. And their diaries and other literature shows that they would often separate the males from females. There's only one reason that I know of for doing that......
     
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    There are never enough sources for a denialist dung worrier.

    American High Society ecp thread

    American High Society, a subchapter from "Hemp: Lifeline To The Future," by Chris Conrad. Dr. Burke, president of the American Historical Reference Society and a consultant for the Smithsonian Institute, counted seven early presidents as cannabis smokers: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Zachary Taylor and Franklin Pierce. Madison once remarked that hemp gave him insight to create a new and democratic nation. Cannabis was twice as popular among American soldiers in the Mexican War as in Vietnam: Pierce wrote to his family that it was "about the only good thing" about that war.

    'THE HASHISH CLUB' was the name given to a the group of French writers and artists who first banded together in the years just before the Second Republic to experiment with, and record their experiences, of hashish ....... All were united in a search for new forms of expresssion and enlightenment ....... the assembled writers (and painters) comparing their symptons under hashish or opium, and speculating on how their imagination and the writer's art might be stimulated or betrayed by drugs". ("The Hashish Club. -- an Anthology of Drug Literature" edited by Peter Haining, publ. 1975 by Peter Owen Limited)
    EDGAR ALLAN POE, 1809-49.
    - "Usually I had half filled the bowl of the hookah with opium and tobacco cut and mingled, half and half.
    THEOPHILE GAUTIER, 1811-72.
    -"Hashish has nothing of that ignoble drunkenness about it which the races of the North obtain from wine and alcohol ; it offers an intellectual intoxication". (Essay, 1844)
    CHARLES PIERRE BAUDELAIRE, 1821-67.
    - "Now, even if we admit for a moment that hashish can confer genius, or at least increase it, it must not be forgotten that it is the nature of hashish to weaken the will, and so to give with one hand what it takes away with the other, that is, to bestow imagination without the power to make use of it" ("Les Paridis Artificiels", 1860)

    JFK’s Acid Trip/JFK, MPM, LSD and the CIA


    History of the Intoxicant Use of Cannabis

    Washington Grew Hemp

    May 12-13 1765: "Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp."
    August 7, 1765: "--began to seperate (sic) the Male from
    the Female Hemp at Do--rather too late."

    Marijuana - The First Twelve Thousand Years

    So fashionable did the hashish habit become that even foreigners began to remark on the growing popularity of the drug in America.

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  13. NoxiousGas

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    LOL, I thought about it, but decided not to mention JFK's LSD use. ;)
     
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    I looked up American Historical Reference Society in Google and apparently it doesn't exist. So I don't believe your source about the founding fathers. Can you come up with something that can be verified?
     
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    it was only taken from those who chose to lay down and accept defeat...my ancestors...the Natives of this land we call Turtle Island...may have surrendered..but I do not...freedom resides within...once again...it cannot be taken...only surrenderd.
    wars may have been fougt and people may be persecuted but true freedom exist within oneself and it is always each individuals choice each and every second to either make their own decision and follow their own will regardless of so called consequences...or to surrender that freedom out of the fear of what may happen if they do not...
    I do not surrender...I do not live my life by what another says is law right or what tha fuck ever...fuck the feds and anyone or thing affilitated with these new age terrorists who call everyone who oposes their will a terrorist. I will remain free...and I will die or live however u see it...Free. No man has authority over this great creation that our Creator has tossed us into and givin to each and every one of us to do with as we will....it is our decision to bow down if we fear...it is also our decision to trust in our creator and live as we are created to live...free ...making our own decisions and following our will as we are made to do regardless of the pretense of a consequence set down by tyrants...fuck em all...Its time to rise
     
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    from Hemp: Lifeline to the Future, by Chris Conrad, 1994, pp. 192-193, part of Chapter 16, "A World of Cannabis Cultures." Creative Xpressions Publications, Los Angeles, ISBN 0-9639754-1-2, $12.95 from FS Book Company, Sacramento, 1-800-635-8883 credit cards, 916-771-4203 customer service.

    Not mine, talk to Chris Conrad who wrote "Hemp: Lifeline To The Future," He wrote it. I trust him over a denialist dung heap anyday. Your blind fool denials only keep sick kids from seizure medicine. Lowlife as it gets. The evidence that they grew it is plenty. The hashish club they attended and just plain common sense if it was there they surely smoked it. You are just holding onto your old ways and it is making you fear someone is exposing your lies. Jesus inhaled the hashish incense. You simply are creating larger fear centers and paranoia from abstaining. Drying up your endocannabinoid system. Making you stiff necked and boring. I have nothing to say to blind fool denialist. As I said... There are never enough sources for a denialist dung worrier.

    Science for Potheads: Why People Love to Get High

    Does Weed Turbocharge Outside The Box Thinking?

    Endocannabinoids

    Exept in Mendocino they're Mendocannabinoids

    Conservatives Have Larger 'Fear Centers' in Their Brains

    due to

    Clinical Endocannabinoid Deficiency

    Using Pot To Save Brains is not on the agenda!

    This explains dung worriers and/or denialists in part.

    Why Do YOU Think They Call it DOPE?
    * Cannabis Hemp: The Invisible Prohibition Revealed
    * The Elkhorn Manifesto
    * Marijuana and Hemp: The Untold Story

     
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    How Many US Presidents Smoked Marijuana?
    http://www.amplifymyweed.com/2010/11/how-many-us-presidents-smoked-marijuana/
    12 Presidents Who Allegedly Smoked Weed
    http://vetocorleone.com/2009/02/23/12-presidents-who-allegedly-smoked-weed/
    We don’t want to get all High Times on you, but we found this interesting. Here are 12 Presidents who allegedly smoked weed. A lot of it sounds made up, but it’s out there.

    The Founding Stoners?
    http://www.pinstripepress.net/PPBlog/index.blog/1430012/the-founding-stoners/
    President George Washington wrote a letter that contained an oblique reference to what may have been hashish. “The artificial preparation of hemp, from Silesia, is really a curiosity.” Washington made specific written references to Indian hemp, or cannabis indica, and hoped to “have disseminated the seed to others.” His August 7, 1765 diary entry, “began to separate the male from the female (hemp) plants,” describes a harvesting technique favored to enhance the potency of smoking cannabis, among other reasons. Hemp farmer Thomas Jefferson and paper maker Ben Franklin were ambassadors to France during the initial surge of the hashish vogue. Their celebrity status and progressive revolutionary image afforded them ample opportunities to try new experiences. Jefferson smuggled Chinese hemp seeds to America and is credited with the phrase in the Declaration of Independence, “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    According to them, Hemp, along with flax and cotton, was primarily used for making clothing at Monticello. Slave garments for example, were often constructed from Hemp. Rope was also made from its extremely strong fibers.

    This President’s Day Remember Washington Grew Hemp
    http://cannabisnews.com/news/24/thread24450.shtml
    USA -- George Washington raised large quantities of hemp. So did Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and virtually every other 1700s American farmer. It is also highly likely at least some of them smoked its potent sibling, now known as marijuana.

    In their honor, in renewed protest against this absurd Prohibition, PASSIONS OF THE PATRIOTS, by “Thomas Paine,” is now being published. As we approach President’s Day, this “based on true history” novel shows Washington and his cohorts in their natural state, growing and smoking what we now call “pot” in mass quantities.

    In his farm journal of August 7, 1765, Washington notes that he “began to separate (sic) the male from the female hemp…rather too late.” An astute agronomist, Washington could only have been seeking a crop with stronger “medicinal” qualities. Founders who smoked bales of tobacco and consumed oceans of beer (Washington was young America’s leading brewer) could not have missed the recreational properties of a crop well known for five millennia.

    As for industrial hemp, growing it has actually been mandatory at various times in our history. Most recently Kansas was virtually carpeted with it as part of the effort to win World War Two.

    For more than 5,000 years, dating back at least to ancient China, hemp has been used for paper, rope, sails, cloth, clothing, fuel, food, and much more. Today the rich oil in hemp seeds should be a staple of our conversion to clean, green bio-diesel fuels. Its stems and leaves could be a core crop for making cellulosic ethanol. Re-legalized hemp cultivation could quickly become a multi-billion-dollar bonanza for American farmers, just as it was immensely profitable for George Washington and his cohorts.

    Passions of the Potsmoking Patriots By “Thomas Paine”
    http://www.harveywasserman.com/harvey_wasserman/Passions.html

    hemp http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=184704.15;wap2

    1: source of e.g. bhang and hashish as well as fiber [syn: Indian hemp, Cannabis indica]

    2: valuable fiber plant of East Indies now widespread in
    cultivation [syn: kenaf, kanaf, deccan hemp, bimli,
    bimli hemp, Indian hemp, Bombay hemp, Hibiscus
    cannabinus]

    3: Canadian dogbane yielding a tough fiber used as cordage by
    native Americans; used in folk medicine for pain or
    inflammation in joints [syn: Indian hemp, rheumatism, Apocynum cannabinum]

    In India, it is common to make a highly concentrated form of Indian (India) hemp, by rubbing the flowers over a fine screen and collecting the potent resin that falls though it. The resin is usually then compressed into "bricks".

    Most informed cannabis activists know that George Washington grew non-psychoactive fiber hemp (Europian hemp), but what many don't know is that he loved the same hemp me and you smoke and eat today (Indian (India) hemp) even more.

    "What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp."

    George Washington
    Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72

    In the above quote concerning seeds notice that George Washington refers to his crop as India Hemp instead of Indian hemp as he does in some others.

    Indian hemp is used to refer to both Cannabis Indica, and Dogbane, a plant barely resembling hemp and not even apart of the Cannabis family.

    However, India hemp is used to refer exclusively to Cannabis Indica!

    From Jack Herer:

    Cannabis Sativa L.

    Also known as: Hemp, cannabis hemp, Indian (India) hemp, true hemp, muggles, weed, pot, marijuana, reefer, grass, ganja, bhang, "the kind," dagga, herb, etc., all names for exactly the same plant!

    Or, as the following hemp historian puts it:

    http://www.rexresearch.com/hhist/hhist2~1.htm

    A History of Hemp

    by

    Robert A. Nelson
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    Chapter 2

    Hemp in America

    George Washington may well have cultivated some cannabis for medicinal and occasional recreational purposes.

    Both he and Thomas Jefferson (who quite disliked tobacco) are known to have exchanged gifts of smoking mixtures.

    In the 1790's, Washington also began to cultivate "India Hemp", the resinous variety developed in India.

    Cannabis at that time had several names, such as "common hemp" (C. sativa, cultivated for fiber and seeds), and "India hemp" (C. indica, grown for fiber and resin).

    The latter is not to be confused with "Indian hemp"(Apocynum cannabinum, dogbane), used by native Americans. The modern term "Indian hemp" is applied to jute, which is not related to Cannabis sativa.

    Jute was not introduced to America until much later.

    Washington's concern about India Hemp is illustrated in these excerpts from letters to his overseer Pearce:

    "Let particular care be taken of the India Hempseed, and as much good ground allotted for its reception next year as is competent to Sow..." [5 Nov. 1796].

    Modern day translation:

    "Don't mess up my Indica crop, and plant as many Indicas as you can fit on my property without over crowding."

    George was truly a lover of Indian (India) hemp (Cannabis Indica).

    3. How Long Have People Been Using Marijuana?
    http://web.textfiles.com/destruction/10things.txt
    Since Biblical times (4). This practice was widely accepted in America, (5)
    as well, until the orchestrated campaign of the 1930s led to disinformation, (6)
    public hysteria, and the first American laws against using it. (7)
     
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    "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all." Thomas Jefferson....
     
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