Fate/destiny

I believe Hotwater was using the cliche "meant to be" or "the one for me" rhetorically, whereas you appear to actually believe in such a thing. Hence, why you would need time to test the veracity of 'the one' hypothesis, and Hotwater wouldn't.

 

However he meant it doesn't change my opinion on it.

 

Why are you speaking of things harming others? Nothing will harm as you're trying to defend something from appearing to. We emotionally harm ourselves as I said in my beliefs similar to yours in my last post, if we attach ourselves to much to the idea of destiny.

You are still calling it fate and or destiny when I insist it is not, and still your main focus in the realm of romance. Similarly to my Buddhist preachings of earlier, romance in probably your view, and the rest of the posters speaking of true love and destiny love, is ego centered, and mostly about attachment. I agree with you when it comes to coincidences and thinking someone belongs to you, as opposed to two souls meeting by chance, which is what I speak of. The power of chance. But if you wish to view everything as being only related to romance and love that is your prerogative, but entirely missing my point about the fabric of reality.

And no it can not be proven to the extent of the claims, but if you were to refer to my very first post in this thread you would see that similar things occur in quantum mechanics that could possibly be linked to worldly events. Quantum entanglement is mystery and there for in a sense mystical. Einstein called it "Spooky action at a distance"
But to see the extraordinary things I speak of as purely coincidental is nihilistic and devoid of any unseen energy. See waves and particles. I do not think the nihilistic outlook is even scientifically sensible. So in my Opinion it is a bit blind, although I don't think that is something that can be assumed to you in this discussion. Again I insist much more goes on than what most people can see due to being self absorbed. Not saying you are self absorbed, I am saying we all are. But it seems you don't exactly know what I mean by an empty mind, or by weeding your mind.

What's the whole to do with romance and true love in this thread anyways? What happened to friendship, path's of life? I don't assume but I ask....Are you disappointed in your love life?

 

I responded to a post about romance, so that's where it came from. I am actually very happy with my love life, not that anything would be different if I wasn't.

 

Good light shed Cherea! What I relate that to is the human desire for complete individuality, and that one may search for something too specific, in the sense of something belonging to one tippy top point of identification, instead of seeing all things as overlapping and sharing common things. Too many people if something is different it is not similar, or vice versa. This also goes to further explain my idea that there is no destiny in the sense of set future event, and that things are all happening at once, and by the power of chance, two points or particles share a commonality in meaning. That doesn't make the one particle the only particle that will ever occur simultaneously with the other. It seems nature's way to keep a flux and flow of likewise particles occurring at relative intervals.

 

The question was to everyone speaking of romance and true love in this thread, because if we turn to the OP. It is about these kinds of things occurring in so many situations. It's gross to think that it is something belonging only to an egotistical sense of true love and belonging, when it's something so widely applicable.

 

Did you think I was trying to change your opinion? I was actually trying to clear up what I think is your misunderstanding of Hotwater's opinion.

 

Fate, destiny, chance, serendipity, call it what you like. I do think it is here in this dimension that we are taking space in.

 

Yeah, certain terms I like more than others. Like fate, especially because of the adage amor fati or "love of fate", which is sort of a doctrine for me.

Destiny is too riddled with cliches...some of these words imply a omnipotent doer, which I despise.

But, the fact is that I think of everything in extremely mechanistic terms. Like, things happen of necessity: there is no choice, no free will, etc.

I only know what happens, what should or could have happened is only a hypothesis, there is no way for me to test out anything happening, any alternative course, other than what actually happens...

So, to me, I could never admit to a moral, liberal world. I could never admit to free will, or right or wrong. Things are they way the are, they are "perfect", complete, and necessary. Whether it be a day at the beach, or the slaughtering of babies.

Conditions, especially our own biological imperatives create only one course. Much like the Earth has no choice but to circle round the Sun.

That's my experience. Free will seems to me to be an error of perspective. If a necessary one.

 

Quantum entanglement fascinates me; I've never thought to apply it to other aspects of life although that makes perfect sense. Most theories and laws hold true when you apply them to other unrelated matters.

I never believed in destiny until I fell in with my very close knit group of friends. Its really strange how we all came together and its very strange the things we're accomplishing..it gives me shivers sometimes. We're all talented and intelligient individuals and we all could have went on our seperate paths and accomplished something great individually..but for whatever reason, we all stuck around our hometown and eventually found each other and we're going to accomplish so much more together than we ever would have individually. Its nothing less than magic to me.

 

i totally agree!!! it sucks... thats why its better to see people not for how they look but rather for each and every beautiful sou that inhibits the body, because really, people don't have much control over what they look like physically.

 

Yeah especially when you see someone you'd like to get to know and it just doesn't happen for one reason or another.. =(

that happens to me like everyday

 

I tend to believe in it. After so many coincidences you begin to wonder. It really is amazing how everything fits together at times.

 

Then if free will is applied and does exist, does it change anything or is it simply already within the weave of what is. Was free will and the possible change that would be applied, already part of the destiny?

 

Apparently seeing someone for their soul instead of their looks is much much easier said than done. It may even seem appear to be easy for some people, but let me tell you people, and myself will only come to find out that is a bullshit sense that your ego will get to make you think you are being more open minded. But from my experience it's amazing how many people that appear to be widely accepting and live lives full of love for others, are only just more fuckers that will discredit, blow off, alienate those with looks they have not been exposed to. Goes to show that in this modern humanity, when exposed to the unknown, most will resort to their ego's sense of acceptable and not.

Someone true to good nature will break through misconceptions, and will put effort and find ease in understanding others. Assumptions seem to easy to make these days, and I admit to not being one true to good nature, because there are too many vicious cycles of judgment that keep me back.

For example, when someone will stare, it indicates that they see you as someone different than themselves, and not belonging to a similar nature, and when someone witnesses that they think of the person staring that they are not a good person and plagued by their own judgment and divisions. Vicious cycle.

I know, it's shit, that's my rant. And perhaps it's because more often than not I find myself in bad moods dependent on daily divisions.

It's clear that it would be courageous and the right path to thunderously break through judgment, divisions, and misconceptions by being one's self. But that is WAY easier said than done, because I think, is it even worth it to give to others that have at first determined you different??

... I just realized that everything is perfect and unfolding the way it should, so perhaps the illusion of the divide is necessary in the sense of keeping you away from furthering down the path of judgment and divisions. We must acknowledge as the suffering that we ARE all of the same source, no matter what people say and/or think.

 

"I know what it means to be alone"

 

it's not a conscious thing

 

Well free will is an illusion because Fate knew you would do what you were going to do before you knew you were going to do it, so Fate arranged things because it knew that you knew that it knew you would do a certain thing and would try to excercise free will to defy the Fates but Fate knew that you would do that so it just made it look like you knew that it knew and would do what you would do and make it seem like you had free will, but is it really free will if Fate knew that you knew what the Fates had in store and because you knew that Fate knew that you................



OH The Hell with it!

Yeah we got free will........sort of.

 

Gets tricky!! I think fate has it that we are not really sure other than intuitive that we get those moments.

Maybe not knowing who or where they come from is not such a bad thing.

 

That's what I mean. Free will cannot be tested. We would have to face the exact same circumstances, at the exact same time, TWICE --- to know whether we could choose to do something other than what we have done.

And even still, my bet is we would do exactly what we did before IF conditions are exactly the same, including our own internal processes.

And if the number of atoms in the Universe is indeed finite, we probably HAVE faced and done the exact same things infinitely in the past, and will infinitely in the future over and over and over.