False Rape Allegations

exactly, i never understood how people for gay marriage could use the argument that what happens btween consenting adults is no ones business, but then are agaisnt polygamy and incest. All three are moral arguments. Two are still seen as wrong, one isnt. Surprisingly, its ok for some people to take moral stands as long as its against incest/polygamy, but it becomes wrong when its against gay marriage?

 

I'm beginning to think that you have a reading-comprehension problem. I'm not trying to be mean about it, because it might not be your fault, but seriously, that line you quote is my understanding of what Farrell's argument was, based on finding by Kinsey (which they surpressed). So go rag on Kinsey, not me.

Who's Paul Morphy?

Anyway, yes, homosexuality and incest are comparable, because yes, incest is a consentual activity. If it wasn't consentual, then it wouldn't be incest, rather sexual assault.

I think incest is disgusting, but I can't help it if there are people out there who don't.

 

Well, I think when it comes to radical feminists like MS, "morality" is determined by what's patriarchal and non-patriarchal. Patriarchy is evil, so anything that seems to benefit patriarchy [ie. men] is considered bad, while anything that contradicts it is bad.

I guess incest and polygamy are considered to be "beneficial" to men, because these are fulfillments of male fantasy and male control over women.

Homosexuality, in particular lesbianism, is considered anti-patriarchal. Gay men focus their sexual energies on one another, hence do not exert control over women, while lesbians are "free" from male oppression. Hence, homosexuality is tolerated, condoned, and in some cases advocated.

 

i've been accused of many things including stalking and other things and have been interviewed by the police in one of the incidents. the female investigator after talking to my parents sat me back down in her office and said "i don't believe you, your parents don't believe you, you will be charged, you will be convicted...ect ect"
well i was never charged, which made convicting me even harder
but ya can't say women are the only ones facing scrutiny for their claims, how do u think the cops look at an accused male? you think they assume he's innocent? yea fucking right.
i was nearly charged for stalking a girl on my way walking to a friends house. who would have knows when you live less than 5 minutes away from school, that people may be walking in the same direction as you.
im gonna have to agree with iiaajmn on this one

edit- oh yes and if brothers and sisters want to fuck...let them fucking fuck, you fucking fucks. its none of your business. incest doenst equate to child molestation, and i think thats a correlation your making and don't seem to be aware of.

 

You cannot compare homosexuality and incest. Incest is NEVER consensual, homosexuality IS. THAT is the difference between sexual assault and sexual love (or sexual relationship.) I find it hard to beleive anyone could mistake the two. Course, you and Paul Morphy and jiimaan all did.

If you don't think incest is OK, then why the argument that "society" or feminists only make incest victims "feel" it is wrong? Why use people like Farrell, who openly espouses child sexual abuse and incest?

I tried to do more research but ran across a NAMBLA (North American for Man Boy Love Association) type, pro incest site that made me almost vomit. Oddly enough, THEY compared the pariah like status of the pedophile to that of the homosexual. They also quoted Farrell quite a bit. It was like reading some of what I am reading here. WHY?

 

What part? False stats about rape stats? If you were falsely accused of a crime, then you should be an advocate for victims, as you were one. I don't understand how you could "agree" with things that aren't true. 41% of rape accusations are true? NO, it is false. More like 2-4% give or take.


What is it you are agreeing to, Moose?

 

you are either very dumb, very ignorant, or both.

edit- im agree to most of what he said on this thread, i couldnt be assed to read pages 3 and 4 but from what i've seen he's got a solid head on his shoulders.

edit 2- i've put in my 2 cents and i can't be assed to argue my point any further so don't expect any more responses from me.

 

you avoided the question.

How is two adults, be they brother/brother..sister/sister, daughter/dad dad/son, mother/daughter mother/son, having sex not consentual?

Whether you find it disgusting or not, makes no difference. How on earth can you say its not consentual?

 

People who have been the victim of incest are often in fear, experiencing PTSD, and have BEEN victims of incest for years. No one starts having incestual relations with their fathers at 18! Am I against it? Yes. It is sexual assault. No one who isn't able to give consent (say, someone with post traumatic stress syndrome) is fully able to give consent.

As far as "not knowing any incest families" I bet you do. Legality or not. It happens, and it is NEVER the victim's fault.

Megara, do some research into sexual assault and incest. See what you find. You won't find "consensual" incest relationships, unless you run into one of those pro incest pro pedophile sites like NAMBLA. (Except in the mind of the offender.)

 

In these relationships ONE person is in the position of POWER. The father or mother figure, or the older sibling figure (or sometimes the physically stronger sibling figure.) When someone has had a life of degradation and humilation and abuse, the one in POWER, (the offender) can often offend without overt signs of struggle, It is STILL assault and still a sex crime, and still NOT consensual.

 

no offense, but you're full of shit.

Like you could really make such a broad generalization about everyone who engages in incest.


If consenting adults want to have sex or get married, should it be illegal, Be they gay, incestual, or polygamist in nature?

 

Nah, Neither. I've got an IQ in the 150-160 range. I comprehend quite a bit. As well as extrapolate a lot, too.

You don't want to argue your point? Have you bothered to do any of your own research. Taking "reseach" stats from people like Warren Farrell (the pedophile) is not a good argumental tactic. The stats myself and others have posted about sexual assault are true. If you don't want to argue, that is your choice.

 

No, of course, no offense. If YOU did some research, you would find that POWER and domination (and the desire and need for it) determines about everything about sexual assault. It is the building block of sexual assault, NOT sex.

 

we arent talking about sexual assault, we are talking about sex.


If consenting adults want to have sex or get married, should it be illegal, Be they gay, incestual, or polygamist in nature?

 

I don't think that Farrell "espouses child sexual abuse". Just because someone quotes a person in their literature doesn't mean mean that the person being quoted supports their worldview. The best example of this that comes to mind is the historian A.J.P. Taylor; revisionist historians consider him one of their own because he wrote a boke in which he concluded Hitler didn't intend on starting the Second World War, but he never associated with them or, I doubt, even took them serious.

 

Incest is by definition sexual assault. YES, incest should be illegal. Every society (with a couple of exceptions, which are mainly concerned with property and or power not leavng the family) have taboos against it. Higher Animals have taboos against it. In Israeli Kibbutzes, where UNRELATED children of the same age were raised together, there was only ONE situation where there was a marraige from the same Kibbutz pod. WHY? Because people who have a real or implied familal relationship have an aversion to incest.

 

What "false stats"? The study was conducted over the course of NINE YEARS by a sociology professor from PURDUE UNIVERSITY. I don't think that his findings were pulled out of a hat. Just because you don't want to face the truth doesn't mean that the truth is "false".

 

Prove it.

 

Please GO to this site. I will NOT quote the article, because it may be interpreted by some as pornography. BUT Farrell DOES espouse incest as GOOD FOR CHILDREN.
http://www.gate.net/~liz/fathers/farrell2.htm

 

i dont see what that has to do with anything.