Fairytale of New York

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by phil1965, Dec 7, 2020.

  1. phil1965

    phil1965 Members

    So recently it was announced that the BBC would not be playing the song as it was offensive as it contained the words 'slut' and 'faggot'!
    Now compared to a lot of stuff today those words are really nothing, so why get all worked up over it? What I find far more offensive, since we're going down the route of offensive songs is 'feed the world' by Band Aid.
    Look at the words, the song clearly refers to Africa, 'do they know it's Christmas' well last time I looked Africa wasn't a Christian country, and since Christmas is a Christian festival could it not be argued that the song indirectly supports the imposition of Christian values on a non Christian people?
    Go back many many years, how many missionaries were sent to Africa to 'tame the savages' and convert the heathens to Christianity, I know it could be argued that the song raised a lot of money for charity and did provide a lot of aid to Africa, but, it still revolved around Christianity.
    Now if you consider that today much is being made of people imposing their will on others and the need to expunge things that are considered wrong, the slave trade for example, then surely a song that in effect celebrates the imposition of Christian values on a no Christian nation has to be far more offensive than a song with the words 'slut' and 'faggot' in the lyrics.
     
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  2. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Supporters Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter


    Sigh !!! - Africa is NOT a country, but a CONTINENT in which there are many countries !!! - One of the oldest 'christian' church is the Coptic church in parts of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Turkey.
     
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  3. phil1965

    phil1965 Members

    Ok I stand corrected, but most Africans are not Christians, not those starving in the bush, which the song was raising money to help.
     
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  4. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill HipForums Supporter

    Oh BBC - Picking up on the words rather than the actions of Jim the fiddleing fixer
     
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  5. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill HipForums Supporter

    It's only a song after all, ah well, I guess there are other songs to play, =
     
  6. Very Fast Car

    Very Fast Car Members

    A Fairy Tale of New York is my favourite Christmas song ever.

    It's almost like some people just wake up every morning and think to themselves, what can I be offended about today?

    Stupidity by the BBC to censor it, but I wouldn't expect anything less from them.

    At least I can still hear the original on YouTube.
     
  7. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill HipForums Supporter

    The BBC has a history of banning records and then in turn seeing them climb up the charts; - some of them getting to Number 1 (Sex Pistols, Frankie goes to Hollywood, Jane Birkin)
    This is bound to happen again
     
  8. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill HipForums Supporter

    As for hearing it on the Radio, there are several other stations that will play it - Go Commercial Radio!
     
  9. Very Fast Car

    Very Fast Car Members

    I was listening to Absolute Radio (in the UK) earlier, and even they played the Woke version! Grrrrrr.
     
  10. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill HipForums Supporter

    Smooth Radio play it, as does a lot of Commercial Radio, - or you could try Arrow Rock- Netherlands (available via the Intranet)
    As one old enough to remember the days when radio went off early and foreign radio channels were the only source of musical entertainment - any adverts (for there are no D.Js)
    Plus they play full-lengh versions of top tunes (including album tracks) :)
     
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  11. nldn

    nldn Senior Member

    I wish Kirsty MacColl was alive today to be able to comment on this.
     
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  12. Very Fast Car

    Very Fast Car Members

    So do I. I can't imagine she would be offended by a few words which she was happy to sing along with.
     
  13. Joshua Tree

    Joshua Tree Remain In Light

    If I were gay I wouldn't like to hear the word 'faggot' as a derogatory term on the radio. If I were a woman I wouldn't like to hear the word 'slut' used against women either.
     
  14. Very Fast Car

    Very Fast Car Members

    I have gay friends who love the song but they don't look to be offended at every opportunity like some seem to. My partner (a woman) also loves the song like many women do.
     
  15. Joshua Tree

    Joshua Tree Remain In Light

    I still think it sets a bad example and I think the BBC are right to ban it as a statement of intolerance of homophobia and misogyny.
     
  16. Very Fast Car

    Very Fast Car Members

    Oh for fucks sake, I really can't be bothered. Life is too short. No, it really is. My ignore list goes up by one. Have a nice life.

    For the non Woke on here - Enjoy!

     
  17. Xyzobomb

    Xyzobomb Members

    Im sure if we looked and listened closely. We could find offense with lots of songs from the 50s,60s,70s,80s and probably through to the present day.
    I am not talking about songs that are written to purely give offence.
    Song lyrics are written in different eras so the writers have different outlooks on the world and what is ok and what is not.
    The way the world is going their will be very few songs ,films or books that don't cause offence to one section of people or other.
     

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