Face Coverings .Do we really need these now?

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by Mysteron, Jun 9, 2021.

  1. Piobaire

    Piobaire Senior Village Idiot

    Moderna vaccine is allegedly 95% effective; an absolute medical marvel to be so efficacious yet to have been developed in such a short time. However, while I might be protected from the most serious consequences of infection, if there is a 5% chance that I might transmit a disease to you which might sicken, debilitate, or kill you or a loved one, it's incumbent upon me to take at least some minimal precautions.
    It's deeply unfortunate that so many of my compatriots (in my home county, 75%) won't extend to me the same courtesy, but that's life in America. If you collapse in a store check-out line, people will simply step over you.
     
  2. Toecutter

    Toecutter Supporters HipForums Supporter

    Why is it that we are not seeing massive deaths of the homeless population ?
     
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  3. wilsjane

    wilsjane Members

    Perhaps we need a whole new approach to virus and pathogenic bacterial spread and one that becomes a simple factor in everyday life permanently.
    Their is no doubt that crowded public transport and busy shops spread these infections, but at the same time we all need natural immunity to the thousands of infectious conditions on the planet.
    I think that if everyone used their common sense and wore masks in crowded places whenever colds and flue were around, we would all suffer less as a result.
    How about a law requiring anyone with these conditions wearing a mask on public transport or when visiting crowded public areas being introduced permanently.
    We all accept that we need to put our pants on before going out in public, so would it really be such a big deal.

    We should learn lessons from the events of the last year and all use our common sense to find solutions, Banning international transport is pointless, since viruses spread all the time, but working from home where possible could help a great deal, including reducing air pollution in crowded cities.

    Doctors are the first people to see the spread of infections, so giving them the immediate powers to slow things down by wearing masks in busy places should be seriously considered in major cities.

    Education is the key and we need to be aware that while viruses are present at the point of death in more than 95% of al deaths they are not the primary cause.
    On he days when we were seeing reports of around 800 people dying with covid in their system (UK), the number of additional deaths above average on those days was around 20. This is common during ANY virus season here, while in India it is accepted that most deaths happen during the monsoon season.
     
  4. djinx

    djinx Members

    The vaccination coverage in my country is still very low, and by the rate is is going, it is projected that it will take us until 2023 to reach a herd immunity.

    Although I already completed my two doses, I don't mind wearing mask when I am out in public places. I mind the safety of my love ones. It's just a minor inconvenience I can live with while I do my day to day work.
     
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  5. Alonso376

    Alonso376 Members

    UK pretty good at looking out for others in my experience.
     
  6. Piobaire

    Piobaire Senior Village Idiot

    America, not so much; "rugged individualism", Ayn Rand, and all of that.
     
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  7. I don't know, man... "Natural" is no substitute for a guarantee.
     
  8. Piobaire

    Piobaire Senior Village Idiot

    While there are no guarantees in life, I'm much more inclined to get vaccinated than to have a Mambo Queen blow cigar smoke in my face and shake a chicken over me.
     
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  9. Piobaire

    Piobaire Senior Village Idiot

    WHO urges fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks as delta Covid variant spreads
    “Vaccine alone won’t stop community transmission. People need to continue to use masks consistently, be in ventilated spaces, hand hygiene ... the physical distance, avoid crowding. This still continues to be extremely important, even if you’re vaccinated when you have a community transmission ongoing.”
    Dr. Mariangela Simao, WHO

    In Israel, of the adults testing positive for the Delta variant, 50% had been previously vaccinated.
     
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2021
  10. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

    Some people should just wear masks anyways...
     
  11. leeds85

    leeds85 Member

    You can still transmit a disease after being vaccinated, just saying.
     
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  12. Captain Scarlet

    Captain Scarlet Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

    True but very much reduced ,

    Double vaccinated to double vaccinated the risk is described as being tiny( source Public Health England ) . The alternative is to hide away from the virus for ever . Society needs to learn how to live with it and this is the path the UK Government is following . This will mean more emphasis on the individual to manage their risk supported by an ongoing Booster programme. There will less rules and regulation on how we manage our lives and replaced with advise.
    You can see that beginning to happen now and hopefully July 19th will see the end of most restrictions in the UK.

    Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
     
  13. Captain Scarlet

    Captain Scarlet Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

    It looks like we are moving forward in the UK looking at the recent Data .

    Posted at 15:4115:41
    Encouraging data means loosening of restrictions remains on the cards

    Source BBC

    There’s lots of talk about encouraging data. But with infection levels climbing rapidly how can that be?

    The key is in the picture emerging with hospital cases and deaths. When the initial delay to step four was announced, infection rates had just started rising and government scientists were worried about what that could lead to with the vaccination programme not fully rolled out.

    The past few weeks have provided clarity about what we can expect. The answer can be found by comparing the start of the second wave in the autumn with what is happening now.

    During September and October cases were rising much as they are now. Within eight weeks that had translated to more than 1,000 admissions a day. This time round there are just above 200.

    There is even better news with deaths. Latest estimates show fewer than one in 1,000 infections is leading to a death. At the peak of the winter wave it was one in 60.

    This has dramatically altered what can be considered a proportionate response to the virus – and is why a further loosening of restrictions remains on the cards.

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  14. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill HipForums Supporter

    To be honest, the amount of people not wearing masks these days (because they have "an' issue) with the images of the football crowds,- allowed, with the increasing frequency of travelling tourists and holiday makers - along with the conspiracy theorists and rebellious types, I cannot see the wearing of masks continuing for too long now.
    Public apathy and reluctance to continue with inconvenience will not see General compliance.
    When it comes to Policing, that too is too difficult to manage.
    I guess time will indeed tell
     
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  15. FritzDaKatx2

    FritzDaKatx2 Vinegar Taster

    I need to If I want to get in and see my Oncologist
     
  16. Cello Song

    Cello Song Members

    Wait - there's a Mambo Queen option?
     
  17. Xyzlobomb

    Xyzlobomb Members

    I personally don't like wearing masks, but I do wear them where I am required to. Like everyone should.
    Whilst i look forward to not having to wear the masks. I also think there is atime and a place for them to still be used. Hospital visitors. Crowded public transport etc.
    I think people should be kept aware of the benefits of face masks especially during winter cold/flu seasons.
    I think we will see a lot more people continue to wear masks in the future. Which if you are a vulnerable person could be a good thing.
    I don't however think they should be made compulsory everywhere all of the time.
     
  18. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill HipForums Supporter

    I can understand in certain places like Hospitals, Doctors and areas where contamination is high, - and wearing Spectacles can be a real bind when it comes to steaming up - but given the alternative, I'm still mindful to be cautious
     
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  19. Captain Scarlet

    Captain Scarlet Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

    Yeah I agree with health professionals . They need to protect themselves as we all know one of the likeliest places to catch Covid is in hospital . y 89 year old Mother in Law is a case in point. She is very well and batted it off quite quickly :)
     
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  20. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill HipForums Supporter

    Good News = :)
     
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