Explain this whole "jesus died for your sins" thing to me..

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Amanda N, Jan 24, 2005.

  1. Amanda N

    Amanda N Member

    Jesus, the son of god, god incarnate, was scrafised to god, so that his blood would wash our sins away ----- huh?

    Why would god scrafice himself to himself? I don't understand..

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  2. redresonant

    redresonant Member

    it didnt happen
     
  3. Amanda N

    Amanda N Member

    (*psst* I know that, you know that.. I want THEM to explain it to me is all... see what excuses they come up with.. so sssshhhh :p)
     
  4. redresonant

    redresonant Member

    woops sorry
     
  5. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

    Maybe it was to draw attention to God?
    You don't recognize it when someone is trollin'?

    here fishy fishy, here fishy fishy....
     
  6. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

    you know I think you care more about Christianity than a lot of Christians do
     
  7. Amanda N

    Amanda N Member

    I'm just trying to understand... Honest, that's all I'm after... I want to know what goes on inside a christans head for them to accept this... How they can be so sure and secure in themselves and what they believe, when there are so many diffrent paths...

    This is not the case of all christians, i know.... but for these people, it's not a case of finding the correct path for 'them'... as far as they are concerned, they've found the one correct path for 'ALL'.. that's very arrogant in my opinion. So I'm just looking for some justification from them for this.

    It might not seem like it, based on some of my posts here but I believe in religious tollerance and a person's freedom to choose their own religion... and I would never force my views onto anyone else (come to think of it, i don't think i've even discussed my core views here, i've spent most of my time playing devil's advocate)...

    Anyway, back to the topic.. i'm still waiting for answer...
     
  8. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

    Your sarcastic little cartoon reveals the flaw in your thinking. God doesn't "change the rules," which is what he'd have to do if he just let us off the hook. We've all incurred a real debt to God that we can't possibly pay. Jesus had to do so on our behalf.
     
  9. Amanda N

    Amanda N Member

    But jesus IS god.. or so I keep being told.. so why is he scraficing himself to himself?

    (Oh, and don't you think it's a bit unfair to condem the entire human race on the actions of adam and eve??)
     
  10. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

    See http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/history/ath-inc.htm.


    We've all joined in their rebellion.
     
  11. Amanda N

    Amanda N Member

    Oh come off it, that's a huge site.. how do I even know it has anything to do with my question... It could be a trick to make me read a bunch of unrelated stuff to give you more time to think of an answer. The least you could do quote me the relevent text.. I'm not going to read all of that, not right now, I've got too much else going on
    So a child has to be condemmed by the actions of their father? That's a bit brutal don't you think??

    Lets say I run a pub, and I let some regulars have a tab (i.e. i charge them what they owe me once a month, rather than paying for each individual drink)... now lets say that one day, i'm feeling kind, and I decide to knock 50% off someone's tab.. (say it's an xmas present)... do I need to go around that person's house, telling them so, then killing myself, to give myself permission to wipe the slate, to complete the deal? No I dont.. that would be silly... All I need to do is write them a letter explaining what I've done... then knock 50% off the bill..... simple

    I'm in control of the tab, I invented the tab, and I can do what I want with the tab... surely it's the same with god and the original sin? He decided to forgive the people, (turned into a decent guy), and that's that...

    No need to scrafice himself to himself.. that's so backwards...
     
  12. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

    God exist as three persons, but one God, and the Bible stated before Christ came to earth that without the sheading of blood there is no forgiviness for sin. Jesus replaced the sacrafice of animals for the covering of sin. And He became the blood sacrifice for the whole world. God must be true to His word.
     
  13. Amanda N

    Amanda N Member

    That makes no sense to me, how can he be three, and yet one? Does he have a split personality or something?

    And why can't he just change his rules? He invented the rules, he put them to the test, they didn't work out, so he can change them... no blood needs to be spilt...
     
  14. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

    This is the barrier that has never been convincingly explained to me either. I do hope that someone offers a good description of this 'died so his blood washes away my sins' thing. I don't see it at all.
     
  15. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl Banned

    I wont pretend to fully comprehend high spiritual concepts like 'Atonement' and 'Justification' but I think we can all understand these basic ideas:

    - God certainly could 'vanish' any rules, consequences and in particular - His Promises.

    - The Cartoon seen above might 'sound' like its making a good point but .. in the better 'punchline' would be God Saying:

    "Yes.. I DID pay the penalty for you.. because Im God and I could not 'wave' off my own rules that I made myself."

    So anyway.. granted this is very simplistic way of putting it, but God found a way to BOTH keep his rules AND have us get by without paying the price for them.

    Now the more i think of it - the more I realise this topic is far too grande for simple answers!
     
  16. Amanda N

    Amanda N Member

    Oh, I see.... more "intrepertation"..
     
  17. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

    Yes.. I DID pay the penalty for you.. because Im God and I could not 'wave' off my own rules that I made myself."

    So anyway.. granted this is very simplistic way of putting it, but God found a way to BOTH keep his rules AND have us get by without paying the price for them.

    Now the more i think of it - the more I realise this topic is far too grande for simple answers! quetzalcoatl


    "All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

    I have found that the truth is generally easy to express, and it is often a trait of more suspect posits that they are difficult to express.

    Also, you put limitations on your God, stating that He could not wave off His own rules. Why couldn't He?

     
  18. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl Banned

    Oh, I see... more useless "sneering"..



    [Do you have some problem with interpreting the text.. if so, why did you ask for an explanation (interpretation).. on second thought - dont answer that]
     
  19. Amanda N

    Amanda N Member

    You see, logic tells me that intrepertation and faith alone are not enough proof.. but you guys think that you've had devine intervention, and that it has lead your hand, and pointed you in the right direction...

    I guess if that works for you, then great... but it's not enough for me.
     
  20. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

    If His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, and Mahatma Gandhi, are excluded from the heaven that is awaiting those who believe the blood/sins thing, then I am quite content to be excluded too.
     

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