Existence Depending Upon Need?

why does anyone believe, whether they love religion of any kind, hate all of them, or could care less about the subject, that in order for anything to exist, it has to have some need to exist, when all around us, there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

what makes people think, again, however they feel about belief, that a god can only exist, if it created the universe or our species?

this is what makes no sense to me.

we do not live in a universe that requires our own existence as a species. at all.

are we only imagining we exist? and if so, how?

the only requirement for us to exist is to see and feel and experience what we do.

or are we required to exist because WE created the universe? i really seriously doubt that, and so does pretty much every belief that people have given a name to.

so what's up with this idea, that a god can't exist unless it created our universe, or us?

why do people who love religion, people who hate religion, and people who could give a rats ass less about religion, such a large majority of all three, seem to buy into this one concept, so totally lacking in any rational basis?

 

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I agree nothing is needed.

As to motive for existence that leaves the simplest accounting to self examination.

I find i want to be.

I find I want to be for the joy of being.

I feel there is good in being and I should have it.

 

Reasons vary but I'll suggest a few:

Logic and reason
From some philosophical viewpoints of theists, particularly in the Western World, there is the notion that logic and reason are qualities which humans have been imbued with and since there is no reason in particular that humans had to have come equipped with these qualities, it is often attributed as God granting these abilities to humans.
Ironically atheists often will point to logic and reason as a case against God.

Visceral Responses and Peak Experiences:
Some point to experiencing sunsets, breathtaking mountains, experiences of love, etc. as well as peak experiences which may occur once or a few times at most in a lifetime as personal insight into the divine.

 

Confirmation bias and associative thinking. "I prayed about it, and it happened".

Also, the childlike purpose based explanations. A lot of christian fundamentalist type thinking is very childlike in nature. The idea that everything must exist for a purpose is absurd.

 

Some other reasons for belief in God coming from the cosmology angle are what some deem the fine-tuning of the Universe.

Examples of this are the Earth being the 'Goldilocks zone' which is appropriate for life. If the Earth was much closer or further away from the sun, life as we know it would not be possible. Also the carbon and elements which constitute much of our being seem to have been 'brewed' at fairly precise proportions in the stars which allowed for life to form. These are some arguments for intelligent design.

 

cellular biology is extremely complex and its hard to imagine that it could happen without some designer or engineer so there's that. evolution works though, scientists can study how it happens in the lab, so it does happen. i just wonder how the first molecule of dna came to be, i wonder if anyone has an answer to that?

the fact that conditions are perfect for life, and we happen to live on one of the few planets with these exact conditions could just be because there would be no life to observe this in any other case.

 

Nietzsche argued about the temporality of experiencing the looking into the forest of the dimming light. We would adjust the time from within ourselves at the same time as from without, and the space would change the very appearance of time. This is called strong anthropic debating.

 

The first mover principle: there must have been something that caused the big bang.

 

What about the idea that everything that exists must have a measure? As far as leading purposeful lives we always choose with a guide.

 

an effect without a cause appears to violate causality. at the very beginning, time did not yet exist as we know it, you could call it t=0. since 0 is an unsigned value any thing happening at negative t as a cause would also be the effect of the t=0 state

 

Besides measures there are constants, the Dirac constant of heat related to gravity, the gravitational constant, and the electric polarity constant. These are in Newtonian Astronomy mapped and measured in the field perturbation oscillations. Nevertheless, the transformation to relativistic mechanics looses the mapping and only the oscillation of universal vibrations of stuff by the Hamiltonian operator are deduced unchanged: the tuning of analytical Minkowski diagrams are left available for the constants NOT TO CHANGE. I don't know.

 

first mover is circular. what caused the cause. what caused the cause of the cause. what makes previous first? what makes anything first? this is endless.

what caused the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause ... ad infinitum.

 

what god created the god that created everything? what god created that god? how many iterations of the recursion must there be for one to be satisfied?

 

And then there was St. Anselm who had to have the time needed to be sure the cause preceded the effect which was external to the first moving.

 

I pictured a little scene once. Jesus goes to see god and when he encounters him--he's on his knees praying. " Jesus= What are you doing?? God= uh--nothing.

 

No problem: and everything was just Nothing.

 

To return to the OP - I don't think our existence is 'necessary' at all. How could it be? The universe got on quite well for billions of years before we came to exist.

If we rule out the idea of a creator god, it's still possible there could be intelligences much higher than our own out there somewhere. But it's more probable that if they do exist they are a result of evolution just like us.

 

Nice theory, i could agree; but what for the principle of the mathematical a priori is there a need to include "evolution"?

 

Say, God did not create a universe. Than there was no universe, just 'God', nature, and Man.