Evolution

It wasn't, I like how you dodged everything else my post said by the way.

 

I didn’t ask anyone to prove but I find it interesting how often people state things as facts and don’t know that they haven’t been yet proven?

what your leaving unsaid is something that has to do with the actual discussion at hand and instead nit picking on my word usage.

I use the word “may” a lot because I don’t know what the atmosphere of the earth was millions of years ago, do you? If you do, please tell the evolutionists that are studying it because they don‘t know for sure.

Please tell me how these personal attacks add to the discussion. Personally to me it seems that you may resort to this sort of thing when you find yourself unable to come up with anything else to say.

By God I mean exactly what I said, it is you that believes that God had nothing to do with the Bible.

 

The point I was making is that no one was there and so no one knows. (of course I believe God was there and he knows)

So, even though what you stated is interesting, there is no way to say for sure it is true.

 

Is there anyway to prove that anything is true in your opinion?

 

As a philosopher, I have to say in an absolute sense nothing can be proven true but I've found life allows things to be proven true even without absolute proof.

 

Example?

 

How so?

 

That's like saying no one on the planet today was alive for the French Revolution.
No one was there. No one knows.
Did it happen? How can we tell, there is no one we can ask that was there.

 

Well, people were there, which is why we have the historical records. Historical records are a lot more straightforward than discovering the nature of earth many years ago.

By your argument, people were there for the french revolution, but not for the beginnings of the earth.

 

My point is that no one can directly tell us what happened.
It's the same with events that occurred before humanity.
We might not have a step-by-step guide for learning what transpired every hour during the earth's birth, but what we can do is look at clues and signs that are left over from that period of time and deduce what most likely happened.

 

Give one example.

 

Sure, I agree with you. It's just my opinion that truth does not change, and so far, science changes continually, which is one of the reasons why I question it.

Yes, which is why I believe that we have to trust ourselves on one hand and look for signs and clues on the other.

We see eye to eye in this. The only difference is that it lead me somewhere different than where it lead you.

Man is fallible, and our understanding of reality makes a shift very often and will shift more often now because we're living in an age where knowledge is increasing tenfold. We really don't know where this will lead.

 

Healthy skepticism is....well, healthy. It's good to question things, but if you are going to question science, you should also question the other side of the coin.
It isn't so much that science changes, it evolves (snicker..) to better accommodate the truths we are always stumbling across.

 

somewhere else I saw a great quote about not waiting to have all the answers, ie 75% truth is good enough...if you sit around waiting for things to be 100% perfect then you get nothing done.

 

Being skeptical is good. I question both science and my faith. I question my faith often, but it seems to turn back to the faith because it makes the most sense to me in the end. It proves itself over and over again, to me anyway.

I just think that science ends up doing a 180 spin on what it once discovered as truth. It also puts a philosophical spin on reality and it is not necessarily the best way to discover the truth.

 

The Bible.

 

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Lawllll

 

a lack in acceptance that some form of evolution took place seems to me to show a lacking in imagination, or perhaps extrapolation.

I mean, to me the ideas that the universe is x billion years old, such and such events happened, earth formed, the surface cooled....a whole shit load of things happened that were perfect for us to come out of (or prehaps just good enough). It's logical, its clever, it has direction and it is relatively complete.

In my head the argument against it is this "what are the odds?!?!?" ie the chances of a planet being so perfectly aligned as to self generate a continously adapting enviroment that eventually led to the proliferation of life, humans and eventually the keyboard that i am typing this with is WAAAY to high, its not the lottery where people do win...this is it...this is OUR planet.

Well, if things didn't go that way, if things were different enough for us not to be supported..then we wouldn't be here to wonder why it DIDNT happen

 

why it all happend is a different story, one that evolution doesn't really know and calls random chance...chance is a game of luck, and luck is a thing of the gods of fate