everything you do is stored on a database

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  1. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    Liberal and Conservative are defined by the media, not the people. Liberals and Conservatives find out their views from FOX or CNN respectively, then parrot them. I have never met someone identifying themselves as either one that didn't mimic the TV and the politicians. Bush was a Republican, he was an asshole, everyone hates him and therefore moves to the left. Doesn't mean conservative ideas are inherently wrong, we've just seen evil done by people grouping themselves in that category. We have seen the same from liberals, and will continue to. It's all the same.
     
    Zorba The Grape, Sep 6, 2009
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  3. skip

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    This is off-topic...needs another thread.
     
    skip, Sep 6, 2009
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  5. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    Don't bother. I'm not really interested in arguing with you (though I know I gave the impression that I did).
     
    Zorba The Grape, Sep 6, 2009
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  7. lostminty

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    I always thought that modern systems of data management are pretty trivial. the power structure is far more effective, and has been for most of modern societies history.

    It's almost organic..people always talk, especially about one another...anything interesting tends to home in on people who would be interested, and from there is kind of evolves. So unless you never talk about anything interesting, someone knows about you
     
    lostminty, Sep 6, 2009
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  9. indydude

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    A profile could be made of you based on info in databases. I could see that happening. Look at what Googles doing with maps.
    How many databases are out there? Private and public. Taxes, work, school, banking, medical, police, military, internet favorites-bookmarks, email (professional and private), ISP history, chat rooms, forums, matchmaker sites,...
    A personal profile could be created using databases. Is any entity doing this? I don't know. I think we'll see commercial interests attempt this first. Who would have thought a private company would digitize, film, map every street in the world like google is doing!
     
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  11. yonosoymedico

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    true indydude, and odon I think youre right on...the keywords would get confusing after some point, it'd be like if you happened to go chatting about a terrorist plot, or a school shooting then you were also planning one? doesnt seem to make sense, I think the keywords would become refined, more into the direction of how to make bombs, or how to overthrow systems of power...maybe that would be a better investment of their time if they were doin it...i dunno
     
    yonosoymedico, Sep 7, 2009
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  13. skip

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    Lemme tell you how I see it unfolding right now...

    Over at the NSA they are monitoring communication traffic in real time. Certain things get stored temporarily or permanently from that traffic into databases.

    So let's say someone becomes a suspect. They should be able to bring up his ID on screen just like you see on TV. But unlike TV cops, the NSA's ability to tap into databases public and private is what makes their system far more powerful.

    Whomever sits at the computers looking up data on people has to have high security clearance, way more than a cop or even an FBI agent. That's so they can access the most secure databases as well as private ones.

    That person probably has a nearly endless checklist of databases he can search. The ID and M.O. of the suspect would determine where to look.

    I can imagine every database residing on a US server is within the NSA reach. But that doesn't mean they can search them.

    What was missing under Bush was a court order before a search gets executed. I'm not sure if they need one now under Obama.

    That list of databases would include all those mentioned above plus every business of a certain size. It's not like they're going to hack into Goldman Sachs, but they could if they wanted to. More likely it will be commercial sites like Amazon, Google, Microsoft (so they can find the key to your computer if it runs Windows), etc. So they'll know your buying habits what you've recently bought, charged, returned, etc.

    The commercial databases have core info to track ppl down physically if needed. IP#s, mailing addys, credit card info are all on those databases.

    And today every ISP is ready and able to respond to an immediate request from the gov't to hand over personal info on the spot. Just send 'em a fax, and it's theirs.

    So let's say they find out this guy bought a phone with a credit card a few days ago. They search for the # in their live communication database and zero on his location within minutes.

    All this technology is actually wonderful. But in the wrong hands it's a nightmare.

    What this can lead to I will discuss in my next post...
     
    skip, Sep 7, 2009
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  15. indydude

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    I suspect we'll see more proactive database activity, rather then reactive. Instead of using database info to find a person. I can see data being used to flag and profile. Kind of like how the FBI builds a file over the course of a persons life. I can see a file that automatically collects and stores and analysis behavior automatically.
     
    indydude, Sep 13, 2009
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