Everything doesn't make any sense.

Why aren't people more vocal about the universe not making any sense? I mean as a whole, life makes no sense.

-- Maybe because it would be annoying to have people get in your face and say this all makes no sense. However, other ideologies do just that: they create organizations of people who believe one certain thing makes sense. ( I agree you can say atheism isn't a religion, but there are atheist organizations of this type. Some would say atheism itself is an organization of this type.)

Why isn't there an organization of people who insist that everything makes no sense, though? I guess people are wary to disagree with scientists who insist this is all going to make perfect sense at some point. However, I guarantee that it isn't.

Religious people just have kind of a lazy way of trying to make sense of everything. God did it, they say. When are people just going to grow up and accept the cold hard truth: this makes no sense! :sombrero:

 

But in yourself you make the most sense of All, just because you are religious for the personal faith in the love of God. Maybe we could meet at at a retreat at the Oratory in Montreal over---- Lent.

 

Things are supposed to make sense? When did this happen and why wasn't I informed...

 

Since your anxiety trolled me irresponsibly.

 

Okay...

 

Everything doesn't have to make sense. But since the universe seems to exist in some kind of feeble balance of chaos and order (routine patterns) and lots of people have been confronted with the realization that chaos is a big part of the universe they have been inclined to look for simplifications and order so they can make sense of the world we live in and make us feel a bit more comfortable.

 

Yeah, and God may have created chaos as much as order (in spite of what the fishermen may say). The way of negation about chaos is a matter of the simple delusion of Time, which may be as Spinoza means it, be God in the indifferent sense of His existence too.


But Liebnitz who is the philosopher who added the difference of evolution at being and becoming;and that would be Known, may realize time temporalized .....
But thus I am prejudiced against Spinoza for the probability of "a better Soul". Make's sense?

 

I don't even make sense to me. And I know I can't explain myself or the universe to anyone so that they have immediate knowledge of my subjective experience. So how does it make sense?

I'm also questioning if there really is such a thing as subjective experience, therefore, or if we're all fundamentally the same creature in different times and places. I mean, is there some basic standard of a human being and we're all just different modes of that?

Granted, a lot of luxuries have come from people trying to make more sense of our lives. I'm just saying as a whole that you can't say this place makes sense or not, and I am trying to be the first to take the proactive position that it makes no ultimate sense.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that believing this all makes no sense will be a detriment to human progress. It's just an overarching philosophical position like atheism or theism.

Even if God did do it, does that mean that it ultimately makes sense that he did it? He made a choice to do it at some point, but isn't God an emotional creature too? I think a God that isn't influenced by emotion is an imperfect God. But emotions aren't reasonable and the decisions influenced by them don't make logical sense.

 

Just because we don't know how something works doesn't mean it doesn't make sense-- it just means that we don't understand.

Religion offers explanations to people who don't want to question whether or not they're true.

You don't see many people proclaiming that it doesn't make sense because they either don't care, don't see the point, are open to the fact that maybe it makes sense beyond their own comprehension, or think that they already know everything.

 

Why the universe works and why the universe happens to exist (and whether its happening to exist makes sense) aren't exactly the same questions, though. You can answer why the universe works, perhaps, and still have failed to answer why it exists at all. I am saying that that question of why it exists at all is fundamentally unanswerable, and that therefore the universe makes no ultimate sense.

I think you're right on all accounts, and that this needs to change. There are plenty of people who know deep down inside that ultimately this all makes no logical sense, but they don't speak up. I think maybe they don't think they need to, because it's taken for granted. It could be that it's so taken for granted that the obvious is being ignored, however, when it should be proclaimed.

 

It may make sense someplace, but not so much on a planet that has, as of yet, to even understand the full meaning and importance of love, co-operation and empathy as guiding principles. There are those that still walk the jungles in search of sustenance as they have for thousands of years, while others reap the so-called full benefits of scientific advancement. We're a contrary bunch, we are. Gadgets for all does not make for intelligent long term planning to understanding much of anything. Except the acquisition of more gadgets detrimental to real human progress.

 

Cos there's no sense in shouting about how nothing makes sense.

 

What about the question 'why wouldn't it?'?

 

Nothing makes any sense *

Personally I think most things make sense to at least some people. But when you're looking through your own eyes that can be hard to see. If you step outside yourself things become clearer.

 

It makes sense we can use commonly reachable equipment. Than the rest of the planet, as if, wants to historically record the actions against this nonsense\---- my record has become their record.Their record I want, yes, i want now to be the hardware of absolutely continuing usage.

 

Thus the billing companies makes sense?

 

It wouldn't exist if the original variables that caused it were different. The existence of these variables is what makes no sense. They just are/were. You can't explain them.

It is an uphill battle, I admit. I find it even difficult to sit here arguing about how everything makes no sense, even though I'm sure that it doesn't.

I'm not exactly saying that nothing makes any sense. You drive a car to get to work when it's cold out. Why? Because you don't want to freeze. I'm saying that everything makes no sense. Our relationship to the universe I liken to a caveman who comes across a Boeing 757. What sense does the Boeing 757 make, really?

You can't grant purpose to the original variables of the universe in order to say that they make sense. They happen to perform the functions they do, but it's not because they inherently make sense.

 

Makes perfect sense.

 

I'm with you 100 percent. But still your livin... why not live it?

 

What does affirming that everything makes no logical sense have to do with living life? I'm still livin'. People may not like me anymore, but I'm still livin'.