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that tube bowl slide actually sold to the one bidder

some rich little kid is going to have a nice slide for his camp probably

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This happens at least one a year with my M3. But my truck I don't worry so much about. It gets a soap and water wash and vacuumed sometimes. But a German performance machine deserves a little more respect. I can see the tears in the engineer's eyes if I was not maintaining the car.

 

I get how straight folks can argue about the transgender debate on using public bathrooms, but I've not heard any lesbian arguments. So here's mine. And I do not care if anybody thinks of me any differently.

I don't feel comfortable, as a gay girl, using a public bathroom with a man just because he believes he should have been born a woman, or that he wants to be a woman. That's not a good enough excuse to invade the privacy and sanctuary of our female toilets. It's not right.

Feel free to build unisex toilets.

And I also honestly believe that even if a small percentage are against it, then that's enough of a voice to sweep it under the carpet. "But I'm not really a guy/women" is a rubbish argument.

 

Never had a problem with that and since they are all stalls can not see why I would. I can see in a mens restroom it being maybe a little more uncomfortable due to urinals but I am sure it happens and no one even is aware as they would probably use the stall.

First world problems..

 

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What about a change room then? At a public pool? Showers are all open. No private stalls. Then will you have a problem? I'd have a problem with that in any case if it was all women, yet alone a guy in there with the excuse of "but I don't think I'm a male". Hell no, I don't honestly believe most people would be okay with that, it's all this liberating "we are one" bullshit people come up with to make themselves feel better in unity, I don't actually believe that when push comes to shove, that society would be that forgiving. It's all talk. All talk.

If it has to happen this way then I want to be segregated into lesbian toilets only. You can have male, female, unisex, gay and lesbian toilets now, just to cater for all our needs, you know? If their feelings matter, then so do mine.

 

And the funny thing about this being a first problem is it probably wouldn't happen in the 3rd world countries to begin with. Because I've yet to see transgender people in African tribes etc. I think 3rd world countries have other things to worry about and think about that whether or not select individuals were born in the correct chassis. That's a first world attitude, that you shouldn't have to be or do anything you don't want to be or do because fuck the government It's their fault, I have feelings and everyone is going to hear about them.

Straight. Up.

Third world country. You wanna use the woman's toilet? Yeah, be my guest. it's probably toilet you wouldn't even want to use to begin with so yeah, I could see that because like, are there even toilets in third world countries you'd want to willingly use? Or would a hole in the ground be a little more sanitary given the nature of the problems that make said country 3rd world to begin with?

Third world folk don't have the opportunities to even realize or rationalize their sexual orientation. They fight. They fight every day just to survive. It's the first world that gives a given person the time and opportunity to ask themselves those questions. I don't think people use their time wisely, why not talk myself into being something else?

 

I did not say that what you feel does not matter. I said to me it is a non issue and first world problem.

Any facility I have ever used has had public and private showers. If someone was transgender using one I probably would not even be aware of it. If I was aware and they used the private one I would have no issue with it. Nor would I have an issue with a gay woman using the same facilities as I do as I do not view it as sexual behaviour.

If not viewed as sexual behaviour it changes what it is to being bodily functions as with bathrooms and cleanliness with showers. I think people are over thinking this and making it an issue that does not have to be one. I have no clue how many times in my life it may have already happened and honestly do not care if it has.

 

I think before you make such broad statements you need to do some research regarding this as you are not correct in your assumptions regarding even African tribes let alone most third world countries. Transgender is prevalent in all societies.

While as a flip comment to try to make your point it is not accurate and does little to make your position.

 

I am researching it, I'm researching a lot about it actually and everything I've read and seen, especially seen have no bearing outside the western world.

Most transgender traditions in other cultures appear to stem from religious beliefs and emulation of gods and deities, recreations of tales etc. but not what Caitlyn Jenner thinks or portrays. I mean all I read at the moment in African tribes all symbolizes something religious. I've never heard of a transgender person in the western world call out religion as why they've chosen this path.

What a he-wife in Africa is all about is very different to what what we have here in western society.

 

Next it'll be socially acceptable to build human litter boxes on the streets just so some people can squat and do their business in them based off nothing more than an ancient Egyptian belief that cats are gods, and that the culture of the time depicted themselves as trans-specied where the emulation of certain animals and the portrayal of them was greatly accepted. Yet, that is completely different in our day and age now. For we all know exactly what trans-species fetish play is all about in our western world.

I really don't think there's a comparison.

And I've yet to find anything remotely "modern" about transgender African tribes that hold any comparison to our western and first world. Like I said, it all reads very religiously, not sexually and I have to believe that a high percent of trans folk in our first world aren't doing this for religious reasons, there's something very sexual about it.

These are all my thoughts and I don't expect anybody to agree with me which is why I said I don't care if an opinion has changed about me. This is my feeling and don't think I just woke up decided to start something, no, I've been reading about this a lot and I've researched a lot and not just for days, I've been doing this for about a week now. What I wrote was a very deliberate representation of how a person like me may feel about such things like this. I've read and read many arguments and opinions about it. To the point where "it's just going to the toilet" that I can agree with, but then again, deep down inside.. knowing how perverse our culture and society is getting, "just going to the toilet"... Nah. It's not.

 

The whole trans in the bathroom is a media developed distraction away from something much bigger...

 

Isn't everything in the news though? I only know about this debate because of social media, I don't pay any attention to the news.

It got my attention after thinking about it though and it wasn't thinking about myself in that situation it was thinking about my partner. Now she has not slid her panties down near any man for her life. So it got me thinking. How do I feel about that, knowing how awkward that would be for her, that she could be on her monthlies or just using the toilet and someone of the opposite sex is in the next stall beside her. And like you say Heat, maybe we don't know that they are beside us, but now it's quite prevalent that they may be, and I would really feel for my partner in that situation. She's used the women's restroom under the guise that that's what it is. A women's rest room.

 

I agree with you.

I can understand where you are coming from but it is a slippery slope to start to go down. If I as a straight woman had issues with those who are gay and then objected to a gay woman using the same facilities as I do, it is regression on rights that have been long fought for. I personally do not want to go back to a time when a person can not simply be who they are. Most transgenders identify with the sex they transgender to and very few ever have surgical modifications for a whole lot of reasons but they still have a gender that they feel they are. In this case it would be a man who truly feels that he is a woman. Hence my non issue as I do not view that as sexual nor do I view a gay woman in the same facility with me as being sexual.

I am not willing to walk on anyone's sexual rights or gender clarification as I do not want them to walk all over mine, with the clarification that those are between two consenting adults. I grew up in a time where rights were not given and to me they were human rights not gender in my opinion and I never want to see us go back to a time when a minority is not protected by law.

 

if a nutter wants to peak in a womens washroom he can do it easy enough...they dont need a law

....very few here would even recognize that a trans gender person is among them.....

not to mention being a lesbian is illegal in many countries to this day.......why is one law good and one law bad?.....some very intelligent people are siding with the trans community...i will stick with them.....

 

Well we weren't debating whether or not trans gender should be legal or not, just whether there should be equal rights to use the opposite sex restrooms. I have no qualms with what Heat is saying to me because she's thinking on a much higher maturity level than me at the moment and I feel like she's right, but I can't accept it or that it is just not what I feel is right, to me.

It is difficult subject to me because I know I'm probably a very bad example, but I think I have the children at heart. I'm a bad example because I know my own sexuality can be pretty out there, which I think is a fun and safe practice, it is not emotionally taxing, but on the point of keeping children safe, what happens when somebody like in the picture (which I think is highly photoshopped ) walks into a bathroom with your young child. What are they meant to think? Or someone from a culture where this isn't an every day practice. How are they meant to react or think? Say someone from the Middle East walks into female toilets, with her face covered and for a brief moment needs to unveil for hygiene reasons. And men aren't supposed to see her this way. And that guy walks in, or even if she doesn't know it's a guy, but her religious beliefs forbid what is happening? I just can't see how that is defendable. Or how a justification for tolerance and acceptance could be accommodated. and i feel as if those two situations alone, if they're the only ones that happen, very infrequently should be enough to really think about this.

At the very least there could be a subtle fix. Now in Austria and Germany some establishments put the rainbow flag to advertise gay friendly, maybe there could be trans friendly restrooms too? I don't know.

 

I think that's how we know we're on to something worthwhile....

Most advances in culture and society are usually billed as such. I think it's just the way the cookie crumbles. We're about to be (and indeed, already are) living in a mighty strange world.

Be there or be square

Edit: But personally I don't give a fuck. If people aren't directly impacting/affecting me in a real, objective and tangible way then I try not to mind. It can't be some bullshit "that makes me feel uncomfortable" type thing. It's like the people who crusade against legal cannabis and run big campaigns to try to shut it down in the states yet most of those people have never been impacted in ANY way by the legality of cannabis beyond some nonsense "I have to drive by this store on my way to work and it makes me uncomfortable and wah wah wah".... Fuck that noise.

I try to be more or less about freedom. I don't give a fuck about convention or orthodoxy. That shit's for the birds

 

I think the perversity is fun too, but like, behind closed doors and not in anybody else's face. Like religion. And politics should all be. so I'm kind of hypocritical atm. But aren't we all?

 

Irmi you miss the point.
It really doesn't have anything to do with what a person does or doesn't have between their legs, it is the legal sanctioning of blatant discrimination of a specific group of people.
Regardless of the details, that is a step backwards for any society wanting to call themselves "modern".

If shit like this flies, how long do you think it will be before they pass laws against YOU?

but as rolling mentioned, your chosen lifestyle will already get you killed in a large number of countries, some of them as an audience cheers.