Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

Ok, I'll concede.
I have to end this now because I used to really enjoy smoking and I've just finished a meal and a strong cup of tea and I would really enjoy a Camel straight about now, lol

 

Go take your RC's fuck head. I could provide links to the opposite but you ain't worth it

 

"The control from the field to a cigarette is important as it affects the leaf characteristics, smoke chemistry, degree of combustibility and organoleptic properties. The growing of tobacco is a blend of art and science"

Maybe I misunderstood the use of the word paper in the recon manufacturing process as the paper does state that a cigarette is wrapped in a non tobacco product.

 

Bingo

 

I know better now? Or maybe it was the dogs name.

 

So my confusion came with the use of a thing they call mother liquor which is a slurry that they do control the thickness of and is manufacture in sheets of different colors and thicknesses which are either stored cut or uncut like paper in sheets. A RECON paper of appropriate thickness and color can be cut to appear as whole leaf in the construction of a cigarette or tobacco blend.

 

http://cosmosaic.bandcamp.com/track/lead-mercury

 

I know that meditation is the foundation of spirituality. Especially eastern based. Yes it has been studied but the first Scientific acknowledgements of its effects on the body are happening now. Kundalini videos and clinics have also existed since the 1970s. In fact, in the wake of the post-psychedelic movement of the late 1960s, Occult knowledge and practice gained probably its peak in popularity in the 1970s...at least its peak in the late 20th century. It hasn't been as popular since. And before that it had another peak in the early 1900s.

If meditation is the bedrock and foundation of ritual, well then we are both agreeing that ritual certainly has some sort of positive effect on one's life. Meditation is also considered a key component to awakening one's Kundalini Shakti. Psychedelics are another. There are others. Kundalini Yoga would be one. Ritual would be another. I'm talking about Ritual in the textbook definition of the term. Meditation is a bedrock to Ritual. Ritual is a bedrock to Magick. Ritual and Magick are also commonly linked to Kundalini and the awakening and activation of it.

 

No, you only think that because of where you get your news from. There has been a steady stream of scientific inquiry into psychosomatic effects of meditation for many years.

When you say "ritual", I think "a series of actions which are repeated in order to accomplish something", in which case meditation IS ritual. Meditation is not the bedrock and foundation of ritual, that doesn't make sense, it's like saying the Pacific Ocean is the bedrock and foundation of Oceans. It's the other way around; First come Oceans, then the Pacific. First comes the idea of a ritual, then one possible kind of ritual is meditation.

You are extremely unclear in your ideas and communication and you're still just throwing a whole bunch of big words together and claiming a pattern, but a quick look into it and it all falls apart. Please try better.

You say you are using the "textbook definition" of ritual. Here it is:

 

Meditation is a foundation to ritual in the sense that in order to lock into a ritual, you first need to clear your mind and/or enter a meditative state. Meditation is absolutely a foundation to Ritual. No matter what the type of ritual is. Sometimes one can start a Ritual with a meditation.

The power of the sub-conscious is the reason why Ritual is used in regards to Magick. Similar to the Placebo Effect, but what I am calling an "intentional placebo"...meaning that you are intentionally putting something into your sub-conscious and then going out into the world and seeing the results of the desired intention. The power of symbols lies in its ability to come into your sub-conscious, especially if the symbol represents something for you. This is what talismans are for.

 

Strive to stay in that state of mind perpetually and the need for ritual falls away. It's generally referred to as mindfulness.. a constant meditative state. No need for symbols or talismans, you breathe. You were born into your ritual tool, cultivate the awareness of it. Only if you want to of course, but if you understand what's being said it's a no brainer considering your passion for these states of mind.

 

Well...I can see that this is more just of the same Hipforums stubbornness going on here. Sorry, but I'm not somehow subscribing to this notion of Meditation and how brilliant it is but not that stupid Ritual stuff. They're both very much in the same field and they are used for different reasons.

Ritual includes meditation into the mix but in an of itself they are utilized for different means. So it doesn't really make any sense to say that one can just ditch Ritual for Meditation. It depends on what one is going for and what they are trying to achieve.

And simple research reveals how both Ritual and Meditation both are very involved with the Kundalini process.

 

Your comprehension skills still need some refining friend. I never said meditation, I said meditative state. You're right in the sense that they are in the same field, because ritual and meditation both invoke a meditative state. A stillness of the mind, if the change of phrase make it easier for you to understand.

I also never said ritual is stupid. If you remember, I told you once that I explored the pagan traditions and witchcraft and for that time I found it of great benefit. What I noticed though, with further studies, not of articles but practical experience, that there are more convenient ways of attaining that same state. Mindfulness is that, because that state invoked during ritual doesn't have to evaporate once you blow out the candles and clear up the crystal grid. It doesn't even rely on the candles or the crystal grid(or however you procede with things), it can be as simple as feeling the rhythm of your own breath, pulse, or watching the clouds pass overhead. All at once works great too.

Why confine it to a particular time and place?

At the end of the day it's whatever works for you, so feel free to call us stubborn and such, but you're missing the fact that we're actually trying to help you out here. It's blatantly clear that you don't recognise a simple truth. Free yourself up man, it's all mellow here.

 

Here is a false distinction which your further argument is founded on. Power is one thing, Consciousness is another. There are no sub things except maybe things submerged like submarines, sandwiches, or inner awareness lost sight of in the heat of outward engagement. If you are conscious then you have access to all levels of consciousness in a conscious manner. The divisions consciousness, sub consciousness, or collective unconsciousness are false distinctions about consciousness. Those things relate simply to unexamined states of consciousness. Those states exist consciously and no where else.

Once you get the message hang up the phone and take the next call as there is always something more to learn.

Once you understand the function and taste of ritual to continue on with it is like snacking or stuffing your face for no further cause. You get trapped into habit and fall asleep after you have eaten. The final line consists of you standing face to face with all you perceive either with clenched fist or with open empty hands, nothing to turn to and no where to go.

Dude you are right there and you are on track. I can feel the power of your spirit so to speak.The only thing you lack is this, poverty. That is it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. Your cherished dogmas are the riches you think you have to protect but they in fact keep you from seeing you are in good and supportive company.

 

Sounds interesting, I may try this sometime as I've had minimal success with meditation without the aid of psychedelics.

The Sensory Deprivation Tank - Joe Rogan: http://youtu.be/KeqmKwsvM58

 

I agree with the first part and then I find this double dealing around the definition of ritual, i.e. you didn't include the rest of the entries on meaning

1. 
   
   
   
   a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order.
   "the ancient rituals of Christian worship"
   
   
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     the prescribed order of performing a ceremony, especially one characteristic of a particular religion or church.
     
     
     synonyms:
     
     ceremony, rite, ceremonial, observance; More
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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     a series of actions or type of behavior regularly and invariably followed by someone.
     "her visits to Joy became a ritual"
     
     
     
   
   
   
   

adjective
adjective: ritual

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   of, relating to, or done as a religious or solemn rite.
   "ritual burial"
   
   
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     (of an action) arising from convention or habit.
     
     
     Just to avoid the appearance of trying to put a spin on the facts.
     
     
     
   
   
   
   

 

Dogma is a form of understanding. If you latch on to the form it suppresses the understanding of forms and confuses the issue of understanding in general. A consistent understanding takes many forms. An inconsistent understanding is achieved by thinking the form is the understanding.

My meditation is beyond symbols

 

Another way is to expose yourself to uncomfortable elements. It brings your vital interests to bear in a significant way.

 

The problem in this discussion chinacat is not your ritual, it is your confusion over form and content or form and meaning.

I can tell you that common approaches to unlocking kundalini take a long time.

The quickest way is to cut to the chase or the presence of miraculous nature.

A miracle is an understanding that substitutes for years of trial and error. It transcends time.

How many times do you wonder if you are doing it right?

 

You are creative.

There is a difference between creating artifacts and creating experience. To listen to music is to be absorbed in experience. To make music is to experience creativity.

A suggestion for your continuing travels. Don't be concerned with results. Don't let your creativity be proprietary. Let it out as though it no longer belongs to you...and it will flow from where it comes without concern or hesitation and it will not be met in turn with contention.