Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

Concerning "altering" your environment.


"If it ain't broke, don't fix it".


Since things can't actually break cos there are no actual "things", we only assign an identity to an arbitrary accumulation of matter after the phenomenological observation of said accumulation of matter. [SIZE=13.63636302948px]***[/SIZE]
Once an identity is established we assume a subjective bias of how a thing should behave, relative to how we were informed about the subject and our experiences and applications of it.


Fracturing these biases, both emotional and logical, and recognising how we came to know the world as we do allows us to see the patterns of congruence and dissonance within them which can unlock unimaginable clarity to refine our model and guide it with harmonic precision.

We shouldn't feel the need to manipulate our environment but our reactions to it.




*** - Note the limitations of logic.. by it's own definition it's unable to conceive of anything outside itself.

A slightly different example..

X=X

Now X can only equal X if X actually is. It's far more accurate to say, "If X is assumed to exist, then X=X."

 

Yes you describe the ritual of boiling water. A ritual can be an act that you repeat time and again to produce some result. If it was me I would use a kettle with a whistle instead of a timer. Having accurately described those things as ritual timer and talisman does it make boiling water any less? Obviously not. Does it make boiling water any more boiling to say you preformed magic to make it happen. No, the words you use to describe your process don't matter unless they are list of ingredients or order of steps. So to make a big deal out of the syntax doesn't really address the substance of the matter but only the style in which it is relayed. That is not much more important than whether you wear yellow on thursdays. I think people would do well to look at the basic assumptions they have about mundane things. I know I have spent days on end just looking into and at water because it is such a facinating substance to behold, jewel like, yet is is so taken for granted. If it is straight in your mind then you won't lend confusion to the issue for others. A specialized vocabulary will develop around almost any endeavor. For instance talking dirty when you have sex. As far as people thinking me daft or crazy or unballanced I have had more of that than my share of late, especially at home among my own sibblings and children. I've had the experience of people shining me on in person and then gosipping behind my back about how they think I needed some kind of intervention. My sister was actually plotting to have me commited I found out. I bassically live alone and they came to my place and i confronted them about fundamental issues instead of playing nice for the holidays and my sisters sense of decency was offended somehow. I am furious at the two facedness and insincere patronage of people I have known all my life, especially when my message to them is no more secrets. So while you are having an issue with the use of certain language, I am faced with some regard that might threaten to take away my liberty. All the same I have no intention of shutting my mouth.

It is always raining somewhere. Expand awareness. We can see the world from ground level and there are objects in the way of plain sight and if we just get a little elevation we can see around the obstacles and if we gain more elevation we can see beyond the horizon. Internal and external are in fact the same being of matter and it is conception that creates the impression of boundaries.

 

Our environment is one of neural sensationalism. Our experience represents our own organisms response to stimulus. Our response is administered by the mind's sense of rightness. An open minded response sees no harm nor does it see bennefit except in relation to a desired aim. It is logical to assume there is more to learn and in order to do that you transcend your current relationships, as we are relatively informed.

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Right now I'm learning to communicate

What do you mean by transcending current relationships?

 

And you are doing very well. I think the comminication skills of everyone involved here has improved dramatically and certainly some transcendent understandings have been reached by some over this course.
My girlfriend who views this thread has commented that everything is becomming easier to read and understand and markedly so in the case of chinacat. What I mean by transcending current relationships is in dissolving fundamental boundaries and going beyond your own comfort zone. It is not only being courageous in public but also with the fears we face in our own inner sanctum. Me, I am ready to act in any capacity anywhere I am invited and on that note there is nothing I possess that detains me. I think that one of the things that concerned my sister was my tendency to be willing to give away the farm in pursuit of my cause of learning. To her we have a responsibility to the system or we will not be able to thrive. Fact is she would not be able to live anymore at the expense of others is all and would have to fend for and account for herself on an equal basis with nature. She owns a preschool and considers herself responsible to kids and parents and she feels that way based on financial contract while suggesting that her level of responsibility is of the most profound humanitarian nature but she wouldn't dare move her school to an inner city neigborhood because she says they can't afford her service. For her I prescribe serving one master or the other because it gives her a false picture of her value to the lives of others. If she were to die the kids and parents she is involved with will carry on with barely a hiccup. Certainly in my case she over reaches with the idea that she knows what is best for people. I personally think such people are not very friendly neighbors much less beloved family members. In this sense the traditional idea of blood being thicker than water doesn't wash with me. I have an expanded sense of family which includes the idea of, not politically correct, but genuine communal caring for dignity of every individual. So here I use the example of my own family to answer your question.

I challenge people to account for their hypocrisy and they lean to calling me dishevelled. There was a time when I would just let things slide but I've turned into a force to be reconed with and this is beyond my own comfort zone being previously considered mild mannered but it has the effect of a dramatic increase in personal presence and effectiveness. Whereas at times I feel I might be making a mistake I press hard for honesty and openness in myself and that seems to keep things in balance or protect me from the nefarious intents of others.

 

Interesting video, his theory of the brain lagging in response to accumulate all signals from every part of the body is a reason I think dogs can know an earthquake is happening before a human. I think that their relatively fragile legs coupled with their bodies lower to the ground body, perhaps with their auditory/sensory function, allows for this phenomena.

However, I disagree regarding an accident subjectively slowing down time. An accident I was in seemed to happen in a split second.

 

Other than the physical differences between them the only other difference is our perception of them.

Dope, my grievance with all this magick hokum now does appear to be entirely stylistic, now that it has finally emerged that all 'magick' is, is doing things you do normally, but while saying special words and performing special actions that you think will make it better for you internally, all while possessing objects to which you ascribe some kind of power to alter a situation non-directly.

If the "wielder of magick" understands that all he is wielding is the power of his own suggestibility, then this seems to be an oddly contrived game of playing placebo with yourself, to which I would say just drop the game and go straight to the belief portion inside you, get at the placebo effect itself without all this Crowley crock.

If the wielder believes he is harnessing something secret, magical and powerful, then I don't like the term "magick" for this because there's a better term that is far more widely used; superstition.

Yes, it always rains somewhere, but not because I urinated. Everything you say dope I nod my head "yes" to, and then think "that doesn't change my point one lick". I'm sorry that you have difficulties with an obstinate sister who thinks she is doing a good thing by taking away your liberty. I am confident that you have the will, wisdom and means to protect yourself and your relations with her and the world. Keep at it

China, maybe you should check the power that astrology is having in your boxing me into your little Taurus box and therefore concluding that I cannot be moved from my position. Doesn't sound like a position of Magick to me, sounds like religious dogma.

 

Yes, every space is Sacred, but that doesn't matter one bit without recognizing it as such. A ritual is a space to do this and to come into a recognition, appreciation, and self-expression of the Sacred Space.

I would suggest looking up what Taurus is about Writer.

Don't you agree that the Universe is created out of language? So what is your issue with using the Magickal language? Who gives two fucks whether it's a "placebo" or not? I hope that you're aware that placebo's actually work aren't you? Placebo's show what the power of the mind is. If Magick is an intentional placebo and empowers you and gives you results then who gives a fuck? Why are you huffing and puffing about it, and trying to "help" me? Can you just not handle your own stubborn paradigm being eroded?

 

@ChinaCatSunflower02: i think that language is a tool that can be used to describe the universe. it's not created out of language, if so, which language?

 

All language. Perhaps "created out of" isn't the right terminology.

 

My paradigm is not being eroded. Don't flatter yourself. Placebo effect is VERY strong and VERY well studied; and there is still much more to learn about it.

I need a yes or no answer from you; is the thing you call "magick" another word for the thing others call "placebo"?

If no, then I am on a wrong point, and you need to clarify.

If yes, then my issue is that your entire approach to this topic has been that Magick is some kind of secret technique of aligning yourself with a cosmic force using special things, special words, and special actions. You also say that science refuses to study it. Meanwhile, if all you're talking about placebo, then you can work with placebo without ever having once thought of "Tao" or anything cosmic, and the actions for working with placebo are neither special, nor secret. They are just whatever works for the person. Hence things like grimoires and the entire written works of magicians like Crowley are bunk; because he is going for some kind of "objective" techniques and talismans, ie. what is traditionally thought of as "magic". Also, placebo is a topic of VAST interest in science; I myself have read many scientific papers on it from the direction of medicine, and in particular mental health and oncology (you should check out just how much attention is being placed on the effect of the mind to alter one's physical reality in the realm of cancer research).

My issue with the "magickal language" is that it doesn't exist. You are operating with poorly defined terms which don't point at real things that exist. What is the difference between magickal and normal language?

And again, even if the universe is made of language, that doesn't mean that "oogle boogle" is a word that has any use as it is, nor does it mean that me yelling "TIE!" at my shoelaces is going to tie them. It STILL doesn't provide the means of Magick working the way you've been presenting the topic.

To clarify my statement a bit more, I would say our experience of the universe is made of language. I believe that before there was consciousness, there were still atoms and forces and things happening, all without language. We come out of this world and look at it and structure it according to some biological syntax that we have evolved with; I don't think stars are literally words.

 

I think that placebo would be a good bridge then between Magick and Science. As I already said, it points to the power of the mind. What exactly is the difference between the placebo effect and the faith healing?

You could look at Magick as a sort of intentional placebo.

Like you said, it's whatever works for a person. What do you mean that it "doesn't exist"? Language itself is a symbol, and if a symbol speaks to someone, then it does exist. How can it not exist? It's existed for a much longer time than the Scientific language has in history.

Oogle boogle has meaning if I place meaning into it. Words themselves are meaningless and transitory. It's the meaning behind the words that's all important. That's why you can say the same sentence, but depending on the tone of the message, the sentence can have a completely different meaning (ex: saying something sarcastic vs. not)

So our experience of the world is made of language. There are many languages. The Magickal language is an ancient language that's very much a part of human history.

 

Well not exactly playing placebo with yourself to undertake to produce certain states of consciousness or awareness. Certainly to some the introduction of psychedelic plants is a magic potion, an illegitimate investigative tool and so much so that some discount the experiences derived as not valuable or relevant to normal behavior or awareness. It is one thing to have a mental understanding and quite another to have a biologically integrated understanding. So to practice riding a bicycle makes you proficient at riding bikes, but it's balance is applicable to riding motor cycles as well. So maybe incantations can help make you proficient at focusing on incantation in order to bring about effects at large like in the case of public speaking. It would be nice to skip to the end game before learning all the aspects or rules of the game but such leaves you without developmental tools. The only way to cut the time required is to learn from someone who has gone before and their lesson can save you years of trial and error.

 

I have dabbled in esoteric over the years but not in a systematic disciplined way.I believe I have experienced some small miracles in my time but I don't take this to mean I have special powers but rather that the universe itself can at times display the miraculous,or that I am experiencing coincidental serendipity that just happens to be so,which I have come to call the unfolding of an holistic cosmic universal conspiracy,that can be read like a language.I find myself involved in a kind of super sensate matrix of interconnecting nodal points of nodal possibilities,in which the mere magic of being itself suffices to amaze me to the extent that I don't have to go looking in arcana,rituals,symbols or vortexes of psychic power to provide me with a sense that the universe and consciousness is suffused with the sacred and divine mystery of an unknowable and mysterious creation that provides me with all the magic I need.From my past experiences with third eye pineal meditation,I came to realize that we all have a spirit being,that is capable of
the unfathomable timeless void of a shining timeless bliss of loving stillness,which is a thoughtless realm of non-contradiction,non-discrimination in which the mind transcends the body to expand and melt into an immense universal womb-like cocoon of pure unconditional love.I don't know where this space exists,but it certainly feels like it is extraneous to the body.I don't know if the spirit survives death,or whether or not there is a supreme being and/or being who set the universe in motion,and if so whether such entities are now in absentia.But I do believe in subtle energies and,soul-manna and prana wavelengths that only require activation and concentrated cultivation to connect us to a larger spectral and super-numinous cosmic experience of divine light,where we can get a glimpse of the eternal and infinite wonder of uncontaminated essential love/bliss being where there is absolute stillness,an emptiness that resolves all internal conflict,an inner peace of no-thought and single-pointed being in the present moment where time seems to stand still,the spirit/soul leaves the body and melds with an outer supra-cosmic zone where the mind seems to expand as though it were filling the universe.This experience is achievable to anyone who knows the correct meditation techniques and has the dedication and desire to reach.Daily meditations of two to three hours are required for anything between two to four weeks,as you begin to release the pineal honey,open up the third eye and limber up the etheric cord.Some people call this raj yoga as practiced by yogis.The techniques are very simple,but must be practiced assiduously.The technique is part of esoteric wisdom,yet consists of very few elements.What is important is to feel it,and the main trick is to stop thinking.This can be difficult for beginners so it is often recommended that the first step is to find a quiet darkened place where you will not be disturbed.You can either sit in a comfortable chair or lie on a bed.A lot of meditation instructors maintain that you should never lie down,but this is my preferred in position,and in no way impairs the quality of your session.Received wisdom maintains that a lying position will induce sleep,but I have never found this a problem.Now close your eyes.You may want to wear wax earplugs to block any extraneous noise.In order to stop thinking in these initial stages it is very beneficial to have a single image to focus on and maybe intone the 'om' or "aum' sound,which also resonates nicely through the body.Alternately you could chant a simple mantra,many of which can easily be found online.I usually visualize the Buddha or a white rose to help quieten the mind but it could be anything you like as long as you have an affectionate attachment too it.Now with eyes closed look downward with your eyes behind your eyelids.Next move your tongue so the tip of your tongue is touching the roof of your mouth,the upper pallet.You will probably now have many thought moving around in your frontal consciousness.So just try to focus on your chosen mental image and chant the "om" sound or your mantra.It is helpful not to expect anything in particular to happen at first but just try to open yourself up to a sense of love.If you can only manage 15 minutes in you initial sessions this is still beneficial to the great work you are initiating and you can build up stamina as the days and weeks progress.You should now start to see the circulation of coloured lights flitting across.This is part of the process but is incidental to the greater work.Enjoy the circulation of lights and let them dance.Now is the time to focus your frontal consciousness single-pointedly so as to activate the pineal honey and third eye.There is no way to actively teach someone this but it is really very simple.So just focus your mind energy and point of mental attention to the centre of the for head.Continue practicing the former steps.This should come quite naturally now as this meditation is a naturally evolved human function.By now you may have let go of your mental image of affection and be focusing on the circulation of lights.Continue to focus your attention to the middle of your forehead.You may feel a kind of pressure building and maybe able to subtly intensify this pressure in undulating waves.This is part of creating the melting mind-meld that can eventually give way to the infinite ocean of pure love,divine light and cosmic bliss.It is available to be experienced for free and for as long as you are able to maintain each meditation session.You should now start to feel a kind of inner expansion the mind as you continue to focus your attention to the centre of the forehead.This will wax and wain as it begins to find it's own equilibrium.You should now be feeling calm as you continue to enjoy the circulation of lights.If you start to slip back into errant racing thoughts reapply your focus to the concentrated energy in the centre of the forehead.You may want to intone the "aum" sound but as you get deeper this will be of secondary concern.The lowering of the eyes behind the eyelids and the positioning of the tip of the tongue on the roof of the mouth should feel very natural now and come without effort.The inner mind-space will start to oscillate and vibrate as you let it melt into blissful void.With time you will be able to learn to increase the pressure at will but you should not force this mind-melding in a way that feels uncomfortable.Remember that you should in a kind of way not be expecting any kind of experience in particular,but rather let the experience unfold,and gracefully accept the gift.The next step is very helpful in expanding the mind-meld,and is one of the more lesser known techniques in meditation practices.It consists of applying gentle pressure on the eyelids with the finger tips,so that the eye is ever so slightly moved back into the socket.Apply and release this pressure at intervals,from five to ten to fifteen seconds,judging the intensity of the pressure so as to be sure as to not cause any harm to the eyes.Now,on every release of pressure you should feel a greater expansion of the mind into both a kind of inner and outer space,a kind of falling into the infinite void.You may find that progress comes and goes,for the problem is that your grasping for what you now find to be a pleasant experience gets in the way of completing the work.This is basically the full technique as I know it.The main part is to learn to control the focus of attention in the centre of the forehead and keep playing with it until you really feel the push and pull of your expanding consciousness,also applying the light pressure and release on the eyelids as you see fit.Remember there is nothing particular to aim for.You will also feel relaxed and refreshed after your session.I know this post is very long and I should have used paragraphs,but I can almost guarantee that if you practice this simple techniques over time regularly and with discipline you will gain access to what I believe is one of the most important and beautiful experiences available to humanity.When fully mastered you will feel complete bliss and calm,expressed through an involuntary blissful smile.It is a way to halt the incessant stream of conflicting and disturbing thoughts that are often caused by our fears,conditioned engrams of hatred,jealousy,shame,unfulfilled desires and deluded frontal and overly verbalized mind-consciousness system that can so easily leave us feeling most ill at ease.Sorry this has been so long,but I really believe in this technique.It is very simple,but I just wanted to give the best overview of it as I could.With this meditation you can with continued dedication release the subtle ethereal body from the gross material body.It is my understanding that this a kind of mind-merge with a pervading cosmic energy that transcends space and time.At least that's how it feels when your two hours into a session and your mind has melted into an immense inner space that also feels as though it is located a very long way outside of you,giving rise to a sense of freedom from all bothersome a Worldly attachments that harangue ue us daily from the most seemingly innocuous of senseless originations.I give credit to any one who reads all this,but must maintain that this is real and constitutes a profound mind expanding experience without the use of drugs.Ultimately this meditation can awaken Kundalini,the serpent of showering surges of immensely powerful sparks of supra-
energetic light that coils up the spine like a mind blowing force of ultimate supernatur,culminating in an explosion of limitless shards and sparks of electrified sparks of white lights and shards of pure pulsating energy.This is however a sensationalist experience,not without a somewhat shocking element,so it is best approached with caution.

 

You hit on the illegitimate thing with the word secret. As I said many many pages ago the difference between the earnest and the profane is in the practice of keeping secrets, pratices, rituals, rights, in an effort to gain advantage over others and to engender the undo admiration of others. Such cabals are insidious cancers on the peaceful people of the world an an example would be the CIA which weilds as much sinister black magic as this world has ever seen.

As far as pissing and raining, I don't propose that you pissing causes the rain to fall but there is no reason to assume it doesn't. We can say that pissing and raining are effects of the same cause. We can also say that the storms in the atmosphere reflect the storms in our consciousness and just so the other way round. Storms are caused by uneven heating both in the atmosphere and in consciousness. For every physical manifestation there is a psychic analogue.

I don't have problems with my sister. Obviously I can handle anyone or any conversation. I was putting forward the real event of being held suspect of mental illness simply because of the ideas I am speaking about and the way I have been refusing to accept peoples nonsense. They find my behavior alarming and out of character only for the reason that I have challenged their fundamental assumptions about the world. I have a problem with the political approach to human relations that causes a person to withhold honest information for fear of any reaction whatsoever. It is all an effort to staunch the flow of information and be deceitful with another persons trust.

 

Nice ta have ya back Fair


Dope - which do you think is more important, truth or harmony?

 

Perhaps we can say that as a flowery metaphor but we cannot say that cause is the same in any serious objective measure without significantly distorting our meaning of cause.

 

We don't need a flowery metaphor to say that pissing and raining are effects of energetic processes. The most profound relationship you get out of deliniating specifics is that you have something to discuss. I don't think such specifics are useful in advancing general knowledge but certainly helpful for refining specific points. However I don't think refining a specific point is helpful if it's purpose is to restate an argumentative position. If you can dismiss the complaint, then do so. A mountain of time is spent defending positions that can be shown untenable at some level and the defense for this is ultimately the idea that no one can know the truth, for sure. That is nonsense. We can know near enough, or enough in being near.

 

Truth is relative to true terms and true terms are same different and purposeful.
If you learn to apprehend the world using those true criteria then harmony becomes evident everywhere. It is the temptation to qualify that makes the world seem out of wack. If truth is a qualification then no one qualifies.

 

It is beneficial to delienate the objective cause as specific as possible, otherwise we succumb to confusion which I have seen is fairly common in responses to your posts.

You are seeing similarities in the processess of pissing and raining and conflating analogous process with cause. Moreover this doesn't even get us to the original assertion that pissing causes rain. You are distorting meaning until it is no longer useful in any objective sense.