Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

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  1. Mr.Writer

    Mr.Writer Senior Member

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    Authorities are those to whom I grant authority, in greater and lesser amounts of willingness. Authorities in my life have been my parents, peers, teachers, the media, and various philosophers and writers.
     
  2. MeatyMushroom

    MeatyMushroom Juggle Tings Proppuh

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    I'm in agreement, but it seems you have an infallible faith in the fact that your own viewpoint is definite truth and, from what I've seen you say, you show little to no willingness to consider contradicting points of view.
    You're not a dumbass since you've chosen to base your version of reality on generally accurate and agreeable information.. but I'm offering an opinion that thinks you might be playing it a little too safe despite your undaunted air of superiority.

    Bring something to the table sir, and be willing to have it picked apart. You still haven't answered my question of where would you draw the lines between fantasy and reality.. I'm genuinely interested.
     
  3. thedope

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    the is precisely crrect the authority that you authorize therefor you may find no truth unless it is accepted even though it may in fact be aparent.
     
  4. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Why grant authority to anything other than your own self? At the end of the day...whether you have a family or lover and friends or not....you're always ALONE. And that's not a bad thing either. You are your greatest authority no matter what.
     
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  5. guerillabedlam

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    I think the way Writer is using the term authority is to appreciate those who have accumulated knowledge and have a specified realm of expertise, in which one can draw upon to further their development and knowledge on said realms.

    You are no different, perhaps have even exhibited to be more reliant on authority with your appeals to the Mayans, as well as the various other stuff such as astrology, bloggers, etc. throughout the course of this discussion.
     
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  6. thedope

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    So what are the observable functions that give human being the name homo sapiens sapiens? They continue to be tasting and knowing. These communal elements of coming to know is the only meaure we have but matter informs us and we are informed by matter.
     
  7. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Reading your last post again Guerilla I would definitely say that I'm not moreso reliant on authority than most. I wouldn't say there is a reliance on the Mayans and Astrology either...rather just an intrinsic interest and resonance with it.

    You are unable to be reliant upon authorities whilst delving in to things that are guised as fiction and kept out of the school systems. Obviously this could be broken down as it usually is on this forum and get really specific of how exactly I am reliant upon authorities because I'm using this computer and this computer was made by people of "authority" or whatever and blah blah blah...just more redundancy.

    Non-reliance on authority is more of an inner spirit and way of being. To be in the world but not of the world. Anyone is able to make themselves their ultimate authority.

    As Crowley and the Thelemites says, every Man and Woman is a Star.

    As the Hermetics say, man is the Brother of God.
     
  8. thedope

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    I think the ease of access we enjoy now to our wonderful technologies is going to be curtailed in the future by one thing or another. Cyberwarfare is obviously here and the surveilence state is pervasive. You have an oportunity to transcend as individuals the yoke of dead end authority. I think the time is limited. I know in my life it has always come down to if not now then never. It might be a good idea to prepare your mind in a fashion that will be able to function in the event of a profound interpruption in societal services. For example what will you do with you time if you can't be on the internet or the phone or review your files. There are places in the world where this is happening right now.
     
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  9. MeatyMushroom

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    [SIZE=13.63636302948px]That reads like it bled out of a musty vagina.[/SIZE]

    I do agree with point though, behind the words.
     
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  10. guerillabedlam

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    I like how you ended your argument with appeals to authority lol.
     
  11. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Yeah...if you consider the Hermetics authority. So any group of people is authority? What if I made a reference to a song? Is that also referencing authority?

    I would say there's a difference between authority and influence or inspiration
     
  12. guerillabedlam

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    Yes any person or group which one deems as an expert in a particular field or ideology can be considered 'authority' in this context. We're not just talking about the powers that be type authority.

    For the music example, if you said "this music journalist said this..."

    The journalist would be authority
     
  13. thedope

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    I appeal to common recognition.
     
  14. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Well there is still a difference between gaining influence from authorities and being reliant upon them. This is the fundamental difference between a Mystic and someone who simply follows a Religion.
     
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  16. thedope

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    There is no authority but nature and this is obviously above the law.
     
  17. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Yeah I would agree that Nature or Tao is a true authority. I suppose I am reliant on that or allow it to guide me. But there's no real separation either between you and Tao. The autonomy comes at a certain point and that's where the "non-reliance" sets in.
     
  18. guerillabedlam

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    True, however I still view you as more reliant on authority than Writer. Perhaps it's in the nature of many of your ideas,
    Such as magick for instance. You didn't really personally define magick, just loosely pointed to how it's practiced.

    This ambiguity in your ideas, as well as not addressing terms such as 'authority' in the given context may be part of why there is some redundancy and confusion in these threads.

    However, a good use of authority on your part was that post regarding the universe being infinite. Your argument was fairly direct, you provided information to support it.
     
  19. ChinaCatSunflower02

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    I can dig that. Regarding Magick, I feel that it's about aligning your will (i'll make it lowercase to cut back on making it sound too grandiose) with some sort of Universal, natural will. Something like the Tao. It's just about maximizing your biggest potential in an autonomous way. Rituals are used to create results in your life. Magick seems to be about results even moreso than the direct mechanics behind the Science of manifestation...AKA the Cause of the Affect or the Science. That's something that I am personally very into, however: The specifics of how psyche and matter are related, and breaking down the Art of Manifestation. There are specifics in Magick, though. Whether one believes so or not, just pretend for a second that the macrocosm is a direct reflection of the microcosm, and that the external is a direct reflection of the internal. Under these circumstances, why WOULDN'T Magick work? Magick is simply directing your energy towards something via a ritual and other tools such as talismans.

    This is partly why these threads exist. It's a very Saturn in Sagittarius kind of vibe.

    Saturn is about discipline, practicalities, and bucking up...while Sag is much more philosophical, expansive, wandering, etc...So getting serious, specific, and disciplined in the approach to Magick matches up with what Saturn in Sagittarius represents. Yes, you could see it as a "confirmation bias" but I see it as more of a map to navigate. The themes in my life match up with Saturn in Sagittarius, and understanding that helps my attitude and approach towards it. You're never a victim to astrology but you can try to understand it in order to better navigate the Cosmic forecast.

    Magick is about tapping into Universal Archetypes within yourself, which are really non-personal but Cosmically Universal characters. Talismans are one way to tap in to archetypes.
     
  20. thedope

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf7qkDSFbzc
     

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