Environmentalists are annoying

I 100% agree with you. The earth can take care of itself, it will be here long after humans are gone. When we 'destroy the earth' we are really destroying ourselves and other life.

 

Well first of all I think humankind will never die out from natural or human made disasters well short of some sort of cosmic collegian that would knock earth out of its orbit. I mean there are shit loads of fallout shelters all around the world some of them are huge and always at the ready, we have the technology to go inhabit Mars today that is if u have the money.


But we are talking about climate change here and I think this scenario is the least threatening 1 to the species as a whole .There are allot of good ideas to stop or maybe even reverse global warming, if CO2 is the cuz of global warming we can stimulate plankton grow in the ocean which eats CO2 now this can damage the oceans eco systems if done on a massive scale not to worry though we just need to find a balance with other good ideas to take CO2 out of our atmosphere. If global worming is cuzed by natural cycles we can simply shade the earth by artificially helping clouds to form if all ells fails we just imitate a big volcano eruption by shooting sulfur dioxide in to the atmosphere.


Now am not saying if the worst comes to reality its going to be a cake walk some ideas to combat global warming can be risky and nobody can say with 100% confidence what will be the lasting effects of massive climate manipulation. But even if no steps are taken to prevent or combat global warming the worst that can happen allot of ppl die sad but in a way beneficial lets face it true problem with the world is overpopulation besides most of as are assholes


So the land mass haves flooded but not all of it, there's more CO2 in the air but its still breathable, temperature is high but plants still grow as a matter of a a fact in global warming conditions plants would grow much better then right now providing there is water around . What am trying to say colonies that are located somewhere up high in the land to avoid flooding, somewhere far from cities to avoid refuges rushes and somewhere near a fresh water lake or maybe underground river would ride out this thing.




Ok so about environmentalists it depends if they are alarmist and preachy about there stuff I find them annoying if not I love em after all recycling is a great idea. But as far a CO2 foot print goes there is no real evidence to support the claim that CO2 is the cuz of global warming!


The thing is even if CO2 is the cuz of global warming its not easy to kick the dependency to oil after all we are heavily dependent on it its the back bone of our modern civilization. If tomorrow we switch of the oil tap we would save the earth but how would we survive? Would u like to pay say few hundred bucks for package delivery because it had to be transported on a bike or pay say ten times more for food because it took ten times more human labor hours to produce. There would be no way for humans to produce enuf food for everyone poorer country's would be fucked.


Well lets go the technology rode but there is absolutely no way for government or anybody ells for that matter to fund a quick and global transition to say hydrogen powered cars and only nuclear powered industry, wind powered homes and so on... who would build all this new stuff and realistically speaking how long would it take to build and install all of it?


I think its a gradual process we are definitely heading to the right direction but we are still learning still evolving and adapting its likely that we will realize the truth to late and suffer the consequences. But humankind will prevail and what doesn't kill us makes us stronger we will have the technology and knowledge to never go of the tracks again it will be a golden age.






Just an after thought if a nuclear war brakes out or an asteroid hits the earth most ppl that could survive would be military personal and politicians haha now that would be a great gen pool from which to repopulate the planet.

 

How are we heading in the right direction? Emissions are going up everyday.

This is the part that really gets me... By what measure do you see an improvement?

Take your pick;

the numbers all show that we are worse off today, then we were yesterday, and this is not improving.

talk to people who have actually been conscious over the last 5 or more decades and ask them if they notice a difference in the weather patterns.

put a running vehicle in a garage, and see what happens to the environment in there, feel free to put some plants in there as well to see if that makes a difference.

Only by one measure have we improved in the last 200 years, and that is, at least more people are aware there is an issue with what we are doing...

But knowing something, (having an idea) and doing something about it (expressing it through action) are not the same thing.

I will however, completely agree with parts of your response...

Of course, that in itself, is one of the main points you will hear from people who have actually been actively studying humans and our effect on our environment longer then there has an 'environmental movement'.

 

We have less than 5 billion possible years left on this planet. The sun is going to be come a red giant in about 5 billion years. In about a billion years we are going to start seeing some REAL consistent global warming, because the sun is going to start growing in diameter.

 

Well dude now u are talking about a catastrophe here not disaster but by the time that happens i belief humankind would of already spread there wings to new solar systems.



And I think contemplating an action that would help the environment is progress rather then think of big truck and beer all the time. After all some fallow through.


And u cant tell me that all the progress, development and research in new or renewable energy sources counts for nothing.


But as I said before I think we will miss our window of opportunity to fix it so the global worming will come and I am happy for it. Because the ones that will survive will be smart and healthy individuals which will be great gen pool for future generations. People will learn to appreciate life again, humankind will never forget that the only way to survive is by working together and sharing the resources equally oh and using a condom is a very good idea.

 

The OP was right. Environmentalists do my head in.

 

You have a much higher estimation of humanity then I do. One of the remarkable things about us is our ability to forget any lesson.

Beyond that issue itself, is the assumption that the gene pool will be better then it is now. I don't think that it will change much from what it is now, except to be on a smaller scale.

This is the part where I war within myself over it all... on one hand, we seriously need to get rid of 90% of the population... on the other... it isn't right to kill off people like that... lol

Even if you get past the issues of right and wrong over killing 90%, who decides which are the 10%? If it's random, then we are in the same boat we are in now, just with a thousand years or so before we hit the same point. If it isn't random, then its mass murder...

Speaking of which... how many people got the swine flu vaccine? lol

 

Haa swine flu man I already forgot that 1 -.-'


Its weird u know if a dog is permanently ill mentally or physically its put down to sleep but when it comes to humans in the same situation there are cared for which is nice but its not like they will have a happy life.


I just don't understand all living beings are the same in death if its a dead dogs or dead humans body its just dead. What matters how that body was treated when it was alive and if there where no help possible was it a quick and painless death or was it kept on life support for a long and painful life.


Now I do agree killing of healthy ppl presents a problem so mass sterilization is required if we wanna be fair pick em by lottery if we wanna be right by IQ.


Shit am starting to sound like Hitler or something I should probably stop thinking about this stuff.

 

Feeling guilty about fucking the Earth? Buy a re-usable totebag for $4.95! All proceeds line the pockets of the CEO of this company.

Feeling guilty about fucking the Earth? Buy a hybrid! All proceeds make the shareholders happy.

Feeling guilty about fucking the Earth? Be green for $29.95 a month.

Consumers start to feel guilty, marketing companies pick up on it, marketing companies advise producers, producers make "green" products and people buy them.

Anyone seeing a trend here?

I am not saying that riding a bike, turing off the light, filtering your own water are bad things I am saying that you are saddled with the guilt for something you did not do so other people can make money.

Too many environmentalists are just worried that in the future that climate change will become an inconvienence to them and their lifestyle. So what do they do? They buy a re-usable totebag and get all holier-than-thou on their neighbor.

THE TOTEBAG DOESN'T DO SHIT. We need to care for the planet but we need to care for ourselves first. We are still fledglings on this planet and our survival is not guaranteed at this point.

How about we accomplish world peace? How about we feed, educate, and shelter all the have-nots in this world. How about we end our dangerous addiction to paper that is dyed green?

If we fix the human race first, we can fix the Earth second.

Until then, shut the fuck up about how you're saving the planet by driving a Prius, being a vegan, and wearing clothes made out of recycled bean-curd.

 

although on some of that, you are right...
there are two notable exceptions.

The totebags, are one of the best ideas that have come out in decades...

Perhaps you have never looked around the countryside and seen the millions of plastic shopping bags that are everywhere.

As for where the profits go for buying a reusable bag, who gives a fuck... as long as people bring home less plastic bags to throw away.

Here (Ontario), if you want plastic shopping bags most places, you have to buy them now at 5 cents each.

Also, saving the humans first, and then the planet isn't going to work, in fact, its that basic attitude that got us here in the first place. Worry about your immediate needs, and not the long term, after all, it's all about you.... right?

There is a cliche about your attitude in fact... its about ostrich heads and sand....

 

http://www.documentary-log.com/d402-addicted-to-plastic/

recycling is good CO2 reduction is BS

 

Let's worry about plastic sitting around doing jack-shit before we worry about how our world is slowly turning into a George Orwell book. Yeah, plastic is sooooo deadly. I mean, have you seen those plastic black jails where political dissidents of the almighty plastic bag are tortured and beaten?

 

While not having read this entire thread, I understand what the OP is saying and agree to an extent (mostly because I am too lazy to care enough to have a real opinion on it so I go with the cynical view)...


...I had a friend who saved everything. He was a green Nazi, he saved the plastic wrapper from his gum and never threw anything away. He would ramble on and on about how awesome he was- talking as if he were the Earth's person savior. I grew tired of his undeserving narcissism and stop being friends with him. His house was nasty, trash everywhere.

It makes me wonder exactly what he was going that was so great for the world. Does the Earth know any difference between trash in a landfill or in your yard? I wanted to ask him what he thought was going to happen to all the trash when he died. I am willing to bet it is going to be properly disposed off.

Him saving the trash and going on about how much good he was doing, all while insulting me and everyone else for throwing away an empty ketchup packet, did nothing at all for the planet. It was annoying.

So I agree, in instances like that, which seem to occur more than anything that really helps anything, are very annoying.

 

Is there a reason we can't work on more then one issue affecting us at the same time, or do you have a prioritized list of the order you want everything fixed in?

 

We can, I just do not think we are evolved enough for that. I just believe that we can only handle one important issue at a time.

 

Well, ignoring the contradiction there...

Which problem should we all be working on first?

 

Tell me about it...

 

The earth is not going to be fine, with or without us. Every day, plants and animals die because of the actions of man, and this would continue for hundreds of years if we were all to vanish overnight. And all the species that we made extinct would not come back. Ever.

 

Bacteria exists at least eight miles deep. Not only earth-but life on earth will most surely be fine. However, certain humans feel that the human race, although marred by idoicy in the majority, should survive. For every 1,000 morons, there is one einstein. With such people, over time, humans can accomplish great things.





Our intelligence is a rarity and it can be used to discover, travel, and create better environments for those plants and animals on earth that cannot do it for themselves.


The earth, as it is, is an oasis in a dark and ominous desert. It is also our home. It is beautiful. That is why many environmentalists choose to align themselves with such beliefs.

Yes, much hypocrisy exists, but in the long run, it is better than nothing.

 

Aww.