Election 2004

Discussion in 'Canada' started by jiimaan, May 24, 2004.

  1. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Banned

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    I have some reasons why I do not want to vote Conservative (mainly the attitude against Poors demonstrated by the 'Klein' thinking members).
    I have some reasons to vote FOR them, including seeing them replace the big business, fuck-the-poor, 'we are superior to you' Liberals.

    I have no idea why they should 'Die' or be considered anything better or worse than most of these professional time-wasters filling seats in Parliament?

    Personally I think Gilles Duceppe is the most honest of the bunch.
    I am considering filling in his name on my ballot this next week.

    Oh.. before you vote check out http://redeemthevote.ca and especially check the link where you can compare the issues.

    Dont get me started on the controversy I started here in my riding.
    The Conservatives, Elections Canada and the NDP candidate have all gotten 'Brocktooned' this week.
     
  2. FNA

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    The conservatives want to suck up to the Americans. FUCK THAT! Jean Cretien had the right idea.
     
  3. Brocktoon

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    Suck up.. how?

    I think what your refering to is that certain 'school of thinking' that ran through a lot of Reformers that was in love with all things American.
    I agree - that particular group was one reason I actually voted Liberal back when Chretien got in.

    The problem I have is that Chretien was emulating Trudeau with these 'political glory' snubbings of Americans.
    Its a cheap way to appeal to the 'Faux' Anti-American 'Nationalism' in Canada.

    I agree that we must stand firm with the US. They only respect us when we get tough with them.
    However,
    Simply being ignorant with them for the sake of doing so, is wrong and hurts Canadians in the long run.

    Hey.. in my perfect world I would be voting for a candidate who would see Canada become a Nationalist Socialist Republic.
    Unfortunately, as usual, I have to vote for 'The lesser of four professional time-wasters'

    Its not a lot of fun watching a country slowly fade away into obscurity and unimportance.
    Thats Canada for the next 50 years ..unless... someone, ..anyone.. does something about it.
     
  4. inbloom

    inbloom as the crow flies...

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    I'm voting Green. I know it's a "waste of a vote", but they're the party I identify with the most. They seem to actually care the most about the environment, the country, and it's citizens. Even if they don't win (which, sadly, they probably won't), they still need all the support they can get.

    I'd rather vote for someone I support, than vote for someone I don't just to be on the "Winning Team."
     
  5. PedroTheLIonGirl

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    Green party all the way!!!!! they r trying to help the debts of students decrease and are seriosuly concerned about the environment. If u don't vote, then u don't count. i don't listen to anybody's bullshit opinions on the Canadian Government if they don't vote. if u r too lazy, u don't care about ur country and that is pretty lam.e considering we have so many options and rights. get with it u hippies!!!! teeheee.... j/k i am one as well.
     
  6. jiimaan

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    Although you do have to wonder whether voting Liberal would be the safe thing to do so as to keep Harper out, I think that there are several key reasons, aside from their policies--why voting Green is not a wasted vote. Thanks to Chretien, in one of his finer moves, political parties are now given money based on the number of votes they receive. Each vote that the Greens receive bolsters the party's future prospects; in the last election the party got .8% of the vote--not much, but it got them recognition. Now they're running at 3-6% in the polls, and if they manage to get this (or more) Monday night, it will make it clear that they are an established party, which will hopefully translate into more media coverage and wider acceptance of the party's policies. Incidently, in a proportional representation system (which the Greens support) 3% of the vote would mean that the Greens would get NINE seats in Parlaiment (provided there's no minimum requirement (such as in Germany where you have to get 5% of the vote to be able to have members in the Parlaiment)). Anyways, those are my rambling thoughts on the matter.

    A vote for the Green Party is never a wasted vote.
     
  7. Brocktoon

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    There is no such thing as a 'wasted vote'.

    This concept of the 'wasted vote' is something the establishment would just love for you to believe.
    They don't believe it.

    Did you know that political analysts actually pay a lot of concern over spoiled ballots, never mind obscure party voting.
    If a riding recieves a high number of 'unchecked ballots' this tells them plenty about the disastisfaction in a riding.
    [think about it - someone took the time to register and go to the polling booth, wait in line - just to demonstrate they dont like any candidate!]

    The only 'waste' is not showing up on polling day.
    It tells the establishment that they can do anything and you are unwilling to stop them.

    Years ago people said that you were 'wasting your vote' on this little party called The 'Reform' party.
    A few years later and the biggest majority in Canadian history was virtually annihilated from parliament. (they had what.. 5 seats left?)

    Now they have absorbed the remaining Progressive Conservatives, and are days away from defeating the LIberals!

    Vote Green if you must. In a few years they might be something to reckon with.
    Personally, I happen to think the Green Party existed as a 'safety basket' for the Liberals and the Tories.

    Im voting BQ... Im 99% sure of it now.
     
  8. Just4laughs

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    Screw the Bloc they haven't won anything and they're already to call a referendum in the next five years. The last one was a joke not to mention I wouldn't vote in someone to run this country when his only concerns are for Quebec. Truth be told if it wasn't for the Martin and the sponcership scandal the BQ would have been finished by now, they had no support before that. I think you'll be surprised how many people vote for the Green Party come election day. I wouldn't be surprised if they do better then the NDP.
     
  9. Brocktoon

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    The BQ do not even run candidates in my riding.

    I will be filling in Mr. Duceppes name on my voting slip.
    This will serve as an excellent protest vote.
    (I do think he is the most honest candidate in the country)

    Green Party is a wonderful way for the 'Big Three' (or is it just Two now?) to safely do away and 'control' the disenfranchised.

    Heheh.. its just like when they keep people 'believing' they are being 'rebels' or 'changing things' by fighting for weed legalisation.
    Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

    Meanwhile they are taking money from Unemployed people, welfare people and fucking up everything into an Orwellian P.C. fantasyland for them and all their 'friends'.

    .. and you think you are 'fighting back' by .. LOL!!!!.... asking THEM to control WEED ROFLOMAO!!!!

    Oh fuck.. its so fucking tragic and the 'Plebs' so fucking gullible that I have to laugh to keep from crying!
     
  10. Just4laughs

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    You're assuming too much I never said I was going to vote for the green party I just said you'll be surprised how many votes they will get. I haven't decided but you see me being a Quebecer voting for the BQ is a vote for seperation and thats something I can't do. You have to admit anyone who thinks differently is a nieve fool.
     
  11. jiimaan

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    I'm not sure where you get views on the Green Party--if anything, the "big three" would happily see it disappear. The Conservatives simply revile the Greens' policies, the Liberals because the Greens' address issues that the Liberals ignore, the NDP because they believe the Greens steal votes from them (when in fact, it's the other way around). Case in point is something that I saw yesterday on CBC, where they were interviewing a guy who had never voted before out of apathy: he said his conscience says "vote Green" but realistically the NDP has the metal, or something to that effect. Disappointing. People should vote for who they really believe in, and if all those Greens who vote NDP tomorrow would vote for the Greens it would certainly do more good. The NDP may only get 20-22 seats, and will probably only need half that to bolster the Liberals in a minority situation.
     
  12. OSF

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    what a surprise.
     
  13. jivre

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    For GreenPeace, Bloc & NDP are equal of Greens about... Environment!


    http://www.web.net/~pamelacourtot/greenpeace.pdf

    En plus, both are good for influencing the politic, more than greens anyway.

    A vote for Bloc is not a vote for separation. It's a vote for Kyoto, Peace, decentralisation, civil rights, and against unilateralism of liberals. It's too for affirmate differences betwin Québec and Canada, and Canada betwin U.S. and W. Bush badtrips.


    54 for bloc and 23 for NDP in a liberal minority it's a better new for environmental causes.
     
  14. jiimaan

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    Well, we're stuck with the Liberals yet again. They say Canadians are complacent, but this is really starting to get a little outrageous--voting in (albeit in a minority government this time) a party that has really been screwing Canadians good for who knows how many years. Well, at least it means Harper isn't our new PM. Praise God for that! There's no doubt in my mind that this guy wasn't coming clean during the campaign, and who knows what horrors we would have had to endure during his reign. Anyone who lived through Harris/Eves in Ontario will certainly have an idea of the possibilities. The big losers in all of this were the NDP. One shy of holding the balance of power--a mere 19 seats. Interestingly, though, they received many more votes this time around, and in a PR system, this would have earned them 48 seats. I'd say it's about time that our electoral system was revamped to rectify this problem--seeing that this is supposed to be a democratic system. And last but not least, the Green Party! What an improvement. From obscurity, to 4.3% of the vote. Many candidates received 2,000 to 3,000+ votes, and one, representing Saanich-Gulf Islands in BC got 10,000+. It looks as though the Greens are well on their way to becoming a major player in Canadian politics.
     
  15. Brocktoon

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    Just4laughs/Justepourrire,

    I just think there is nothing finer for the two 'Establishment' Parties (who are all made of the same group of professionals) than seeing a Green Party and the NDP on the ballots.
    It effectively splits any 'non-status quo' voting into two neat and tidy wastepaper baskets.

    For my riding, I was VERY UPSET with several issues.
    1) Was told by elections Canada, (with no uncertainty) that anyone who had transferred from another riding MUST pre-register at an Elections Canada Office PRIOR to voting - or else - they would have NO VOTE.
    This is NOT COOL because this makes it unfairly difficult for any and all people without vehicles.
    Especially Natives and the city Poors.

    They were WRONG, yet I almost did not bother trying to vote on Election day.

    2) An older couple was TURNED AWAY from voting at 7:20 because they had come to the wrong polling station.
    This turns out was WRONG and the Polling station SHOULD HAVE taken their votes anyway.

    3) My ballot card had ONLY FOUR candidates names.
    There was no room on the card for 'OTHER'
    In fact, every area was 'Pencil Grey' EXCEPT the white Circles.
    Bullshit!

    Some ARROGANT Liberal thought this was a way to 'Help us' avoid spoiled ballots.
    BULLSHIT ON THAT!
    Its MY country and MY election and if I choose to spoil my ballot then I INSIST that be made available to me.

    .........

    A vote for Gilles Duceppe (the most honest politician in Canada in my opinion) was a way for me to make my vote count here in Preston Manning country.

    As a Knoxist Separatist I would like to see the BQ become a National Party and initiate plans to separate Quebec, The Maritimes, Nunavut, The Prairies and Most of BC from Southern Ontario.
    We can name the new Country 'Quanada' or Canabeque and finally begin building a truly unique and idealistic free nation.

    Green Party?
    Wow. Ok I might as well think Im 'Fighting back' by .....lol... lobbying the Government to control my weed buys.. LOL!
     

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