Egypt: Mubarak Refuses to Step Down, Protests, Looting Continues

It can be no other way. Because anything less than an outright revolt is just politics. And politics has nothing to do with democracy, it's about giving away as little as possible and getting back as much more as possible while doing it in such a manner that those on the loosing end will either be satisfied or at least willing to shut up.

In short, the people in power don't care about democracy. Their concern is to stay in power. And politics is how they manage to do that.

No it don't.
It takes a large enough group of highly motivated people that are willing to take to the street and say "Fuck you! This ends here and now. One way or another." Trust me, once the bricks start flying. People start organizing themselves and it's amazing to see how effective they are and how inept the police and military will be.

Motivating those people takes militancy. And militancy requires a never quit attitude and the willingness to be the un-popular guy until the day you become the person everyone turns to. You have to be willing to say what needs to be said and use any method possible to make others see past their denial.

As a militant there will be some days that your going to be like Tony Robbins and other days your going to be an asshole. But in the end, you just won't go away and you just won't shut up.

Well fuck!
The did a huge bunch of rendition flights to Egypt just to have some "terror suspects" tortured. Therefore it certainly was no fucking secret to the CIA.

 

I might just be reading too much into it, but that could have been said as a way to make it look like the protesters were not only organized, but planned the event well ahead of time. The reason being that the media may want to deflect from the idea that that is what happens when people simply get pissed off and go outside in large numbers. They wouldn't want anyone else to get any ideas, you know what I'm saying?

If people think it was planned by an organized group of individuals, it makes it seem out of touch or out of reach. If people are of the assumption that hundreds of people simply got fed up and decided to protest, it could give them the idea that that is an effective way to overthrow the government or change something oppressive...

 

Well now the propoganda starts. And they're going to say all kinds of shit.
Their objective is to keep you (americians) from getting inspired. As for comments, I personally like the one about the military and police not being able to handle this situation because they lacked training. The united statesf governement is scared shitless right now and they'e going to hit the media "go to sleep" button really hard now.

The truth is this,
In the case of Tunisia, it was the unions and several other groups that don't normally interact with each other that started the revolt. (again groups of motivated people saying "fuck you.") So there as a 'little bit' of planning.

But in Egypt, it was just inspiration from the events in Tunisia. Nothing was planned except citizens taking to the streets.

Bravo!!!! You earned my respect because you saw right past their attempt at deception. Now go out and tell as many people as you can about the lie.

 

I suppose a hedge against political backlash when a social network or forum is being used to enable large scale protests is ensuring the server that hosts the site is located where the local powers are not going to play patsy to the government being protested.

One might also give thought to complex multi server mirror locations... make investigators play the mother of all "Where's Waldo" games... and forcing entities to act in a way that will inflame the public in pursuit of silencing dissidence.

 

That picture makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

There's rumors going along the internet if he is forced to flee the country, Israel has offered asylum to Mubarak, but it's just that right now, internet rumors.

Kind of weird though if he falls too, 2 Arab leaders deposed of, one finds refuge in Saudi Arabia, one in Israel.

 

So Israel cements her role as foe of whatever Egypt becomes... assuming the rumor is confirmed...

 

Basically. Doesn't really matter though, Israel and Egypt might have a peace treaty but the heart of the Egyptian people lies with the Palestinians, hell it's that peace treaty that got Sadat murdered.

 

Bingo. I'm a tad curious if any who are actively protesting there cite the relations with Israel as well as the United States as part of the reason they want Mubarak out.

 

I've seen this come out of the average american before. It's a type of denial. At each step your saying "someone or something must have organised this." Because you just can accept that it can be this easy. (and hard at the same time)

Social internet sites had nothing to do with them taking to the streets. And I can say that with certainty because the vast majority of egyptians don't even own a computer.

What these people had/have is what lacks in the good old USA and that is.

1) A sense of what is right and wrong. As I have often said, a lie can be many things. But the truth can only be 1 thing and that is the truth.

2) The average person talks to others people. Whereas you can take any corner of the USA and you will find that more often than not, the average person doesn't talk to another person without the use of some sort of electronic device. Americans are in front of the TV, playing X-box with their friends, looking for friend on Facebook, etc.

Revolution is easy.
You can deny it all you want but all that is needed is large groups of people throwing bricks. No bombs needed, no guns needed, no para-military strategy needed and no organizing required.

True democracy is always going to be just a buch of angry people throwing bricks.

In short,
The Egyptian governement believed like you. So they shut down the Internet and cell phone service. And they found out that it made no difference because they aren't using them. Revolutions have existed before the Internet and social groups and they will continue to exist long after the Internet dies.

Facebook is a marketing tool for the CIA. They're trying to sell it not only to the mass public. But to what they call a threat to the American government. It's also their tool for manipulation of the masses. Because as long as americans are busy searching for a piece of ass on the net, they aren't throwing bricks.

Unfortunately, it ain't working. Because real terrorists and militants don't use the net to talk. They do it face to face. So instead, what they are finding out is that all they are really catching is some guy in Ohio that's smoking pot on webcam or some girl in Florida that will let you fuck her in the ass for 300 bucks.

 

Guys literally everything is a tool of the CIA, everything

Anywho though, I've been using Al Jazeera English for Egypt news since they've been have the most details and up to date coverage as I assume they have the most reporters in the region. So I got to thinking maybe I'm not the only person that had the same idea.

Turns out I'm not
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/aljazeera.net#
Look at traffic graph and put it on one month view, traffic basically doubles when Tunisia starts, and now it's near quadruple what it was 3 weeks ago.

 

I lived for 2 years in Rode Al-Farag. And I'm telling you that *if* there was any kind of "organizing" it came out of the Mosques and the cafes. They have real social networks and not virtual ones. This entire revolt came together within a few hours. Most probably just looked outside their windows and joined in.

So I'll say it again, the only reason you keep claiming the Internet played a part is because it is so far out of the average american mindset, that you just can't accept that this many people all simultaneously agreed to take action.


And for the record, I never said they were stupid. I ask that you not try putting words in my mouth.

But to be fair,
Allow me to clear up this "one point."

I don't think the "use" of technology infers or confers some sort of superior intelligence. In fact, I believe the exact opposite. Technology has the long term effect of turning a healthy brain into mush. It would appear that the more a person depends on the technology, the less they're able to figure out how to wipe their own ass and need something else to do it for them. And ultimately they tend to get mad when they find out that there are others in this world that can wipe their asses without assistance.

 

You're pretty oblivious to the role that tech plays today, in every backwater of civilization.

 

I agree everyone will be watching the superbowl - when ever it is. nuclear weapons could go off in the middle east during 1/2 time and not a soul watching that game will give a fuck...

 

Oh fuck off. You have no fucking clue what your talking about.

You know what technology plays a significant role in every "backwater of civilization? "

PLUMBING

Finding a way to get rid of the shit and bring clean water in plays the single most important role. When a computer can beam-out human shit and beam-in clean drinkable water. Then I'm sure it will play a big part in "every backwater of civilization."

The computer is less useful than a door stopper in "every backwater of civilization." So stop trying to paint the rest of the world into the American paradigm. The rest of the people in this world sure as fuck don't act or think like americans and they don't have any use for 75% of the toys that americans just can't live without.

Get to the facts. Over 40% of egyptians earn less than 2 dollars a day. It's the lack of money and decent conditions that played a bigger role in this revolt. More so than any egyptian that might have been wasting his few pennies on "surfing facebook" in an Internet cafe.