ego loss/realizations

This very nice. I would change without thinking too much, to without making evaluations.

 

Noted. lol.

and that is a good idea. I agree.

For you I would add an "is"

 

sorry, due to real life don't always have alot of time to spend on these forums.

when you transcend the self into astral realms then you are really only just overextending yourself. focusing on off world entities and powers usually can be very confusing and might just lead you off course, because there is no objective standard to go against. really all that transcendence is, is an extension of the self. subjective perceptions which lead to a perceived greater understanding and transcendence of the self, when really it is just the self being extended to realms which are greater - quite the opposite of ego loss. you become your own god. you have to crawl before you can learn how to walk. if we don't understand what the simple things in our life are then how can we possibly hope to understand anything greater? ego loss is brought about through understanding the self and it's relations to the objective world around you, and then giving yourself to those objects. there might be alot more to reality than just our third dimensional perception here, but we are still here, are we not? if we truly understood the nature of the universe and how to be free then we would prove it by being free. free from our third dimensional lives here. but we are not.

but at the same time that doesn't mean that you should just go around accepting everyone's views because that is what is commonly accepted and thought of as objective. the truth comes about through following your conscience, and interactions with others who are also doing the same. an interaction with a being that does not see or strive for the truth does not provide an objective standard, it provides a skewed subjective standard. and even then, they could be searcing for the wrong truth. if the blind lead the blind, then they both end up in a ditch. generally it's almost impossible to find real truth, but if you follow your heart and obey your conscience then you might find it.

i'll bet that this idea isn't going to be very popular around here, lol. i'm not trying to discredit anyone's perception of ego loss. and i also didn't exactly explain this too well, so don't listen to any of it that doesn't resonate with you.

 

All this you describe are measures of perception. To transcend means to go beyond perception. I don't understand how my question turns into a soliloquy of should and should not.

 

It's not overextending all the bullshit self I refer to as the ego. Although I think it's not the whole ego, but the outermost layers that dictate whether you feel in place with a group of people (on a superficial level). Experiencing "beyond self" is just one facility of our consciousness. Although I'd say the ego, as it is all that you identify yourself with, is lost when your project into such deep consciousness. So it's not really the ego you describe Desos, but I do agree the self is still experiencing, but the self feels as though it becomes one with beyond.

Although its frightening to lose the grounded sense of self you always can choose to take back all that you thought was lost. It's up to you to how you want to interpret and incorporate the experience.

Although you think to transcend means just that, just going beyond your egotistical perception of self is transcending. But to go beyond all perception, I'd imagine is death of the facility to experience. In highly doped/dosed situations or physical death.

But we do not know, perhaps that so deep level of perception of consciousness is so fundamental it is something not lost. Perhaps the obtaining of a human brain is the last possible physical step if we can become aware of that deep level. Perhaps that is Moksha. Just an idea.

 

But no-one has achieved such a state (or if they had they would not remember it) as without perception, a memory cannot be formed, so upon
"re-entry" you would just have a blank... a missing 6 hours or so, wouldn't you?

 

in death. and some people are born without the facilities to make any distinction. are they lucky?

Definitely not.

 

well i'm just saying that going beyond perception isn't always adequate. there's something to be learned there -- as there is with all things. but everything needs an equal representance in reality. we're karmicly bound here, so it would make sense to try to work on our karma rather than escape it, or 'transcend' it. we are judged by our actions, not our beliefs.

you cannot have meaning without unmeaning. the tao which pervades us is dependant on duality. the utility of the clay pot lies within the emptiness within, but relies on the material of which it is built.

we all have our lot in life. fits together like a puzzle.

 

A state impossible to imagine, cognition without memory, but not impossible. Perception is a requirement born from a question. If you know the answer, perception is no longer necessary. You need not perceive yourself in order to breath. It is beyond perception in that it is beyond form because form is not required for interpretation.
The words to describe that state came immediately and with marked determination. If I had never had a body, I would not have missed a thing.

 

Duality is not final.

 

That that realizations that come from taking psychedelics are largely utter twaddle.

 

Sucks for you.

 

within us there is are mysteries that can only be explored in moments of intence solitude. its worth revisiting as often as one is capable imo.

one of my favorite pema chodron quotes: "Only to the extent that we expose ourselves over and over to annihilation can that which is indestructible in us be found..."

i cant say that i do or do not truly understand the state of ego loss, but i know that it takes work for me to maintain and the fullfillment of that work isnt found in a isolated expirience....rather step by step

 

it's always going to be step by step, on into infinity

duality is real.

for some people. but for others, it is divine and spiritual.

 

but if you had not missed a thing, then how would you know what a thing was?

form very much is required for interpretation. with no standard, how would you know other than?

it's impossible to know the answer without first knowing the question. even if you did somehow know the answer, it would still have to come from somewhere.

life seeks to experience itself through form so that it can once again be freed. know thyself.

 

Reality is a law without opposite. A house divided against itself cannot stand.

 

maybe there is unity within the division. it's the division which is the illusion. many parts to the whole.

if a house divided against itself cannot stand then i have no idea how on earth we are still alive.

 

Pay attention.

But neither form nor interpretation are required for cognition.

Questions arise in the absence of answers, not because of answers.

All things seek to be, form does not matter. You are already free. Know thyself.

 

Again, reality has no opposite. This is not a house divided. This is a house in harmonious contention, where every constituent is having their say.

 

i think, that you are getting -- or maybe we both are -- a little caught up in semantics for the sake of self.

we've both stated our points here.