Ego Death?

Discussion in 'LSD - Acid Trips' started by meestersiggies, Dec 2, 2010.

  1. Desos

    Desos Senior Member

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    it was in the study that the brain-blood barrier tends to block out the lsd except for a small percentage of molecules that actually manage to cross over, but once the molecules do enter the brain there is no system in place to hold them there, so they tend to depart rather quickly. or something to that effect.

    so even though the half-life may be a few hours, the actual amounts of lsd that affect the brain and don't just float around your bloodstream and wherever else is very very small.
     
  2. guerillabedlam

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    oh I think you either misread or something, LSD half life is a couple hours. Verifying multiple sources always helps.
     
  3. Desos

    Desos Senior Member

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    i'm sure it is, but just having lsd in your body doesn't account for the effects. the mechanism of action is what accounts for the effects.
     
  4. guerillabedlam

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    Ok well you seem defensive, I was just pointing that out and I don't care to tangent off onto something else.
     
  5. Desos

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  6. tixarn1

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    hey, if I was a cat I'd love to get dosed! They have no way to score,the poor things!
     
  7. meestersiggies

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    im sorry i've not thanked you all for the response, i've been without internet for weeks because my mum thinks that all sources of communication i use to find a way to get my next fix of drugs xD if anyone is interested in my trip or would like to email me and then copy and paste the account of my trip into this discussion you can get me at dannybaker35@hotmail.com - (only able to message when im in college :p) its too difficult and sketchy to use my home computer atm but again, thanks you all!
     
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    the estimate was 100-110 mics per tab of which i gently suckled 2 :D ;)

    and i know entirely the reasons for my bad trip and how it came about, i was just looking into an understanding of ego-death as there is the possibility i don't know how high, that it occured, (sorry for these late replys :p)
     
  9. Plant_Head

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    No not always, But you're onto something. There are various states of mind and a few lack a sense of self whether it be because your awareness is limited to prajna, or because you're super shitty.
     
  10. Plant_Head

    Plant_Head Banned

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    Etkearne, as a fellow opiate dependent person, but also a psychedelic user. What the hell?!

    Opiates have no effect with the psyche in ANY WAY similar to a psychedelic. Any perceived psychedelic effects and dream potentiation has EVERYTHING to do with the set and setting at the time of opioid use. In fact I was reading a book on Opiate addiction just a few hours ago that verified just this.

    I have wondered much about the relation between spirituality and opiates, whether it is good or bad. It can be both, for what I think are obvious reasons, and again have to do with set and setting. Also the user's perceived effects from the opiate have much to do with set and setting. When used in a time of an ill-ego and depressive thinking, opiates euphoric effects are far much greater than when used in a normal state, and then in such a case opiates can have depressive side effects. So one can not deny the possible therapeutic but quite temporary effects opiates have for an ill ego, and the possible advancements of the mind available to a relieved suffering soul at the time.

    But Nodding off is in no way, spiritually inclined, or gives an ego-loss effect anything like LSD or Pscilocybin .

    Also way too often do people think of ego as you made clear that you do, as some negative aspect of the self, used only as "selfish" and greedy means. Ego, in relation to Eastern spirituality, not Freudian theory (which I think is significantly incorrect), and as it pertains to the question of ego-deth, is pretty much everything about you, even in terms of physicality, like as your normal heart hate, the structure of your brain, and the arrangement of GATC. So when we speak of ego-death it is much an inability to retain personal thought as it is also a feeling of losing the boundaries of your body. (Despite how much that sounds to your ego like opiation)

    Again there is nothing absolute about opiate use, except it absolutely allows my ego to flow freely in times when it would be impeded by depression and anxiety. Also dependency is contrary to any path of seeking the implicated state of mind from true ego loss. You are likely to think, in a fury of positive thinking, that all your opiate use has benefited your soul genuinely. I assure you, it has not. If you read into research available of opiate addictions, you will find plainly how the manipulation of opioid receptors on a regular basis, effects psychology in a way that leads to paranoid and accusatory perception. I have seen my friend at the worse of his dependency mistrustful of everyone, but it's hard to distinguish when half the people you deal with as a fiend are fiends themselves and resort to unchecked behavior.
     
  11. guerillabedlam

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    ^ Freud's theory of ego is 3 tiered consisting of: ID, ego and super ego.

    The id would be considered the greedy part of the ego that's driven by instinctual desires. It essentially is all encompassing as well just split between these different levels of ego.
     
  12. Plant_Head

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    Yes, yes it is, and yes it is. Makes a lot of sense, but we have learned so much more about the human brain, especially its ability to change, since then...that I think there is far more at work.

    Edited, but that makes me want to change my original statement of "significantly incorrect" to "significantly inaccurate"

    Also it is a pet peeve of mine when someone brings into a discussion of spirituality severely outdated Freudian concepts. I didn't know schools were still teaching it as the accepted structure of the human psyche. One friend of mine, using Freudian concepts, argued against fluidity of mind due to his self interpretation of such concepts that we are conditioned beyond the ability to change the way we think, and our identity. Not sure why, I think it was equally as motivated by his discontentment.

    Also I did not edit that all in to make it seem like you agreed with all of that. lol. my bad.
     
  13. guerillabedlam

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    Definitely.
     
  14. thedope

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    what is fluidity of mind
     
  15. guerillabedlam

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    I don't know what school your friend goes to but many of Freud's theories are usually dismissed by modern day psychologists and in school. His theories are obviously still taught though as they are the groundwork and some of the most influential ideas written in regards to the human psyche. There are still psychoanalytic psychologists today eventhough the theories are drastically different.
     
  16. etkearne

    etkearne Resident Pharmacologist

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    Sigh. I am now starting to feel that psychedelic-user superiority complex again. I thought I was making progress, but I suppose not. In the end, I get a hell of a lot from opiods, albeit with negative effects, and I don't give a damn if you can't comprehend that. I have trying to be civil and friendly, though. Oh well.
     
  17. etkearne

    etkearne Resident Pharmacologist

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    I think it is necessary to add that I would love to get involved in psychedelics, but it would be psychological Russian Roulette. I have recently stabilized, for the first time in many years, my severe bipolar disorder with psychotic features. Knowing my condition, it would be very dangerous to take these drugs, unfortunately. So, I'll get my psychedelic experience from opioids.
     
  18. guerillabedlam

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    Have you even used psychedelics? Almost everyone here who has responded has used both of them and a few have even admitted there is a deeper part to opiates, but also acknewlodge psychedelics are a different type of experience.

    Edit: so you haven't even used psychs, Who has the superiority complex?
     
  19. Plant_Head

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    Do you usually criticize in this way?

    Very straight forward of you.

    There is no particular school of thought or concept specifically associated with my use of those particular words, but is rather a personal perspective of mine that the human mind has the ability to adapt and change, not just in thinking and perception, but also in structure with the creation of new cells, giving it the ability to change the maps it creates of the external world. A contemporary theory most similar to this would be neuroplasticity.

    I did find this also...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_fluidity
     
  20. Plant_Head

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    Etkearne, psychedelic user superiority complex? What motivated you to come at that conclusion? Its your ego that let you perceive my writing that way. I am so far from perfect, and I guess I apologize for my harshness, but there it is majorly incorrect to speak of opiates in spiritual context in any way similar to psychedelics. In experience, and clinically, the two are so very different. As I said, by chance, I had read exactly about this. Yes, LSD was mentioned in the discussion of the mental effects of opiates. There was no denial that in many cases opiates have increased dream occurrence and increased mental capacity, but as my first post mentions, it was not attributed to the pharmacological effects of opiates, instead the mental inclinations of the subject. You are welcome to dispute the findings of the research I read.

    Yes, taking psychedelics may not be the best choice for you, if you have a history of mental disorders and unstable emotions, but I have also read of cases of people with these inclinations having much success with psychedelics, LSD in particular. Not enough testimony for me to suggest it though.

    Edited. Opiates will never cure, or even healthily treat whatever issues you may have. If you are really serious about medicating to help those sort of things, I would first recommend an anti-depressant, an SSRI in particular. I think you may have earlier mentioned you have tried just about every one of those though. Maybe you could give St. John's Wort a try, but there are no clinical studies supporting its effectiveness but I can testify that after 2 weeks of its use I noticed a significant difference. Opiates will always ONLY be a very very short term and temporary treatment, and could very possibly in the long run cause more of a problem. Opiate dependency withdrawals very commonly include major depression, and I don't see that boding well with someone with a past of depression. I myself feel threatened in my position of being dependent. What if even for only a few days I have no way to get opiates, could the withdrawals be as bad to lead me to do something rash. Or simply could they be bad enough to let it be known to the loved ones around me that I have substance abuse issues. That would DESTROY the relationship of trust and openness that has developed between my family and I since the last time they found out I was using narcotics.
     
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