if ya ever moved to the country.. you'll find the way of life is a bit different then one would find in city dwellers.. can't run down to the local burger stand.. or run to get a bucket of grease at KFC..processed luchen meats are out.. so we kinda eat larger homegrown/home cooked meals..
I believe if I lived in the country, among nature, I would live off the land. I would possibly be ok eating eat then, and using the bodies to survive, but I would not support such horrible treatment as the fast food industry gives.
people are hungry.. and they have no time or education on what fast food eating will do to the body mind and spirit..whatever is conveinant and cheap. to shut the kids up..it's a sad truth for americans.. but I do so love pizza.. I'm a lost soul..hehe
ok im sorry but i cant help but feel like some of you are being liars here. I'm not going to name names but i've talked to a few of you separatly from these forums and time to time these certain ppl have mentioned what they ate and so and so and now i see the same exact people on here bitching about how terrible and murderous it is...please pick a side...or how about just not lie to fit in geez
I will admit freely that have been none to eat meat every once in a while and I find it to be a horrible thing. I feel so bad that I have been part of this negative energy. I know it will be ok though.
I haven't touched meat since february, and I feel great about it. I recently went vegan. I've been so picky with my food to make sure it didn't have a trace of animal on it, but it's worth it to me
I haven't eaten meat since early/mid september...I never ate much, but when I did, the things I've seen done to the animals take over my mind and make me feel like shit. Derek, slaughtering animals that are locked up in cages is not survival of the fittest. It would be survival of the fittest if they were free, and we lived like the Natives of the land, and we needed to eat them to survive. It is not survival of the fittest if the animals cannot fight back.
Hummm OK So since every living thing on the planet has an energy and spirit....don't you think the Veggies have rights too? I have heard this shit for years and what I don't like is the hardcore Veg Folks going around talking about the poor animals but have no probelms with ripping a fuckin plant out of the ground to put in their mouth. I think anything we eat to feed our bodies (or our heads folks) should be taken in a Sacred way. That's my point here. Yes I know the animals are killed in a very bad way and that sucks too. I'm not disputing that at all and agree. But next time you are eating that veggie give thanks to it for giving it's life to you! Also-don't forget when you point that fuckin finger at someone - Three point back at you! Peace
I don't eat meat and haven't for 2 years, but I think I would if we used EVERY part of the animal and not wasted 75% of it. That's my biggest problem with the meat industry.
Yeah, you're right, raising animals to slaughter them isn't exactly survival of the fittest. However, consuming meat is not evil. Slaughter houses may be "wrong," but eating meat is natural. I'm not going to hunt for my meat, so I'm going to eat what comes from the slaughter houses. I'm not going to loose any sleep over it either.
I don't think eating meat is evil, but how that meat is processed is. And you support the slaughtering and torturing and wasting of animals by eating that meat.
Of course there's a rule against killing--all religions (that I know of) have that. But as for a specific rule on not killing animals, it depends on the sect. In the sect I'm in, there is no such rule, although I do have buddhist friends who are vegitarian. It's all a matter of personal choice.
you don't think i/we do? i've thanks organisms for allowing me to consume them, i do believe that everything is aware and picks up our vibrations and their brothers and sisters vibrations. strawberryfields, what are the different sects of buddhism?
Something really that bothers me about my best friend is her stance on eating meat. She will not, under any circumstances, touch a steak. She has said she won't, I've watched her turn down many perfectly fine steaks, claiming she would feel guilty about eating a poor innocent cow. Looking at a steak even once brought her to tears. The thing is, I eat lunch with her everyday. She eats meat. Turkey, ham sandwiches, even meatballs (ewww...lol) . I share hamburgers with her. I don't get it. What's the difference between eating a steak and a hamburger? You're still killing a cow. If anything, I'd be more grossed out my the hamburger, because it's cow that's all ground up. I love her... even when her reasoning makes little or no sense.
I want to bring up what someone has said about veggies probably the only one from what I've read so far that understands what my 2nd post in this thread was about plants are still a living organism {page 2 to read exactly what I said}, what I get from the anti meat side is that from animals they convey a sense of emotion or in some way tell you that by being cruely treated they feel pain {and I'd like to think most animals arnt} and plants don't. So despite them both being living organsims this factor makes all the difference so what about for example humans who are in that state as happens you the anti meat people would define them a plant and eat them right? the reality is what you choose to eat you discriminate agaisnt certain living organsims what I mean by that is if you are an omnivore you discriminate against more as a viable food source, to not discrimnate at all you would have to eat humans. Really all this universe is made up of is a variation of chemical compounds amongst which is living organisms of different levels of intellengence.
I can't possibly list them all here. There are thousands and thousands of them. My sect is called Soka Gakkai. It was started in Japan around 1,000 A.D. (one of the later sects).
Of course plants can respond to stimuli in their enviorment, but there is no evidence that plants possess the sort of organized tissue required to percieve the stimulation as the subjective experiance of pain. I have a choice between eating animals (who I know experiance pain and emotion among other things) and plants........or I can only eat plants, which will eliminate the suffering and pain of any animal I would have otherwise deemed food. I do not believe animals are food.......plants most certainly are. What am I supposed to do, starve? I have a choice here and my choice is not to eat animals. So when you argue that plants could potentially feel pain (which has not ever been scientifically proven) I dont get what your point is. We know animals do.....it doesnt take science to even figure that one out. So does that somehow justify killing and consuming a living, thinking, feeling, being? I dont get what your thing is about plants.......I dont get what that has to do with choosing to not to eat animals.
ok I a bit confused here..(what's new) but arent cow scared to budists and isn't it against their laws to kill cow which they deam scared..just a question.. not a debate..
i think buddhism said you are to work for the sentient(?) of all living things, and have compassion for all things... but on the other hand, we kill lots of things every day inevitably, things we might not even know about, from microscopic organisms to bugs to grass maybe, humanity is more of a virus to the world than anything..a virus with shoes(bill hicks)...and all that lives was indeed born to die... also, i am pretty sure although not positive its the hindus that hold the cow as sacred, maybe cuz of the fungus that grows on their turds...
Yup.. buddhism doesn't have any dogma's and therefor doesn't 'command' followers to eat or not eat certain stuff. For example, Japan is a mostly buddhist country but being a veggie is far from normal there (esp. for males). For monks the general rule is that they don't kill animals themselves (no harming of others) but when they get food as a gift from other people it's ok to eat it.. like being greatful for a gift is more important than not eating meat. Plus that everything has 'buddha nature' so in a way a pig isn't more important then a tree. And yeah, the whole sacred cow thing is hinduism I'm a veggie, have been for several years now. I had and have my reasons. I would be able to kill an animal myself if it was to safe my life I think. But in this country I have the luxury of good alternatives of meat so I choose to live veggie. I don't really care what other people do, as long as they do it well informed and without hypocrism. To me, that's what being openminded is. It took me some years though, to get to this point. I used to be all preachy and annoying about it.. poor friends of mine
