Eastern Gate: An Atheist's Worst Nightmare

Popthree and Zechariah 11:13


Anyone reading this verse honestly, will acknowledge, that it is clearly stating that at a point in time. God's worth was determined to be thirty pieces of silver. Your dishonesty runs so deep, that you can't even acknowledge the correct wording of the verse. Words mean something. You can't fluff off the wording of this verse, because it refutes your belief system. And then you say, you have successfully refuted it. What do you believe everybody is stupid, and believes your nonsense. All you have done, is deny what is clearly written. You are trying to reason your way out of the verses obvious and intended meaning. The wording of Zechariah 11:13 will not allow you to do that. A thirteen year old would understand this verse, and you can't? I accept this verse as it is written, you cannot. Because if you accept the wording of this verse, it will begin to lead you in a direction you don't want to go. You, like so many others, try this slip shot approach to skimming the scriptures. In reality, your whole argument is nothing more than deny, deny, deny, and deny again.

 

LuciferSam,

"As I said many prophecies that hold tend to be vague, predictable, and/or calculated."

If you are talking about bible prophecy no statement could be farther from the truth. The prophecies that you say are vague are only so because you are unfamiliar with them. The bible is not like a book that you read once or twice and put down. It must be studied. The more you read the more the book opens up to you.

Predictable? Just the prophecies of Christ first coming spanned over a thousand years. Many writers of the bible wrote about Jesus and knew nothing about him. By the time the last writer was finished, there was three hundred prophecies concerning Christ first coming. I might point out, all three hundred prophecies of Christ were fulfilled to the letter by him four hundred years after the last writer died.

Calculated? How does a writer calculate crucifixion before it exist. How does a writer calculate that messiah will be born in Bethlehem 400 years before he is born? How does a writer calculate that the messiah well be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver? How does a writer calculate that his own people will reject him? How does a writer calculate he will be Resurrected from the dead?
How does a writer calculate that the gentiles will flock to a Jewish messiah? I could go on but you get the point. When these prophecies are assembled, there is nothing vague, nothing predictable, and nothing calculated. The power of this book is demonstrated, by prophecies that cannot fail.

 

Forgive me, but your dogmatic enthusiasm for your faith kinda makes me hesitant to take your affirmations at face value. Wherever have you verified all these hundred of prophecies and their fulfilments etc. etc? I hope not from zealous sites like the one you showed me on Biblical archeological finds. The Church's history is notoriously revisionist. In other words, are you sure your certainties about all these prophetic truths aren't at least partially the product of your extreme will to believe in them?

If you believe so easily that all these things have come to pass, then sure. To me it is definitely not beyond the Church to have rewritten a lot of history. They erased much of the Gnostics' legacy forever when they burned their texts and persecuted them as heretics.

And sure, you can calculate many of those prophecies. Crucifixion was not uncommon in the Roman era, it's not a stretch to predict that a rebellious Jewish spiritual leader who defies Roman authority would be put to the cross. And what prophecies are these that supposedly predict Jesus' coming beforehand, etc.? You're speaking of the Jewish prophecies that predicted the coming of a messiah?

Hehe, well you are admirably sincere, I'll give you that. I'm still extremely skeptical of all things supernatural and that includes your prophecies, which is my nature I guess. I never thought you guys took the prophecies to heart so much, this commitment to believing that all these prophecies were god-inspired and so forth. To tell you the truth prophecies really don't factor much in my belief systems at all. They're not important to me, or else I might've been believing in all sorts of mystical stuff already. I still argue your points on the prophecies and such only because I acknowledge I'm kinda arguing on your turf, so to speak. But anyway, I've always looked at the history of Christianity, and I see much that points to corruption, power-politics, greed, etc. In other words, that organized religion is a very human thing and shows little more than the sheer power of controlling the beliefs of man. You on the other hand have your prophecies. To each his own I guess. I'll continue to debate, I've found it an interesting discussion really, but I'm getting the idea that our viewpoints on the integrity of Christianity and its institutions may be too far apart to see eye to eye.

 

Lovely piece of writing...I comprehended it all the way and fully understand how beautifull it is...

 

Offense Intended here, but why are you Christians SO GOD DAMN PRUDENT? You act as if you are the right ones, the only right ones, and everyone else is wrong. What makes you so RIGHT?

Yeah we have the bible. Big fucking deal, its a book. It is sold on ebay. Although the stories from the bible entertained me as a kid, their inaccuracy and bologny (sorry, lack of a better term).

IF HE IS TO RETURN LET HIM. WHERE IS YOUR DAMN SAVIOR WHERE IS HE? WE CAN GO ON YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER OF HOW HE IS GOING TO RETURN, but ? I dont see him? I still see christians here. They are a disease to this planet. sigh... maybe one day they will learn. I can't wait till this earth/U.S. shakes itself of this annoying puritan background we have. Slowly dieing out they are, but in numbers existing they shall be (yoda) hehe. Hey guess what I did today, I burnt a bible
ewwww ahh. Aren't I suppose to get struck by lightening sometime here? We should all go sacrafice a goat. Oh never mind, because a dude died, we dont have to sacrafice goats anymore.

Jesus did exist, he taught and whatnot, then he died, slain as it were.

You are just trying to justify an existence[yourself] that has no meaning or purposem, just as the rest of us. We Live we die. Nothing more then that. Beleive what you want, i'l lbelieve what I want. Stop acting like your the only one that is right though ~ typical christian ignorance.

 

Well as soon as you find a gate that any other relgions predicted it would remain sealed until their god came...remember to post that.... Christianity is seperate from all other relgions bc the bible is the only book that has been inspired by god(look at the prophecies)

In 2 Peter 1:20-21 "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

Also Jesus said "I am the way the truth the life. No one comes to the father except through me." The Bible states that Jesus is narrow and that few accept him but everyone has that opportunity... seek and you shall find.. ask and you shall recieve

 

Ohhh so its all about this "gate". So every other religion is wrong in every way because they dont have a gate. Your a dumbass. If you could, please enlighten me to how it was inspired by god. God, HIMSELF, was their writing the book. yup. Maybe one day your eyes will be opened to the truth... If I had the money I would more then hapily take a crew over and open the gates. Did you ever think its for the simple fact that no one gives a rats ass? This is the new world, and that annoying puritan belief system will vanquish as it is. You need to learn and open your eyes man. The truth is out their, not, sorry as it be, in a little book where people say "man will live. man will die." <-- OMG that prophecy came true, so its the complete honest truth. You are blind, simple as that. And noone, not what I say, or what any one else sais to you will be able to change it, until it happens. And when It does, Im going to laugh my ass off. Until you have some kind of proof, and of course, not dealing with replies from the bible. Take your rubbish somewhere else, it is annoying a great deal of us...

So basically, man wrote what the little voices inside of their head said.

First of all, that green text shit is annoying, stop it.
Second of all, All those poor people before Jesus must be burning in hell huh? I mean they did not know of him, therefore had to sacrafice a goat. The poor people had no goats, so they went to hell. Hell spat the poor people out to get a goat. The goat is my friend, i shall not want.
That is the way, the truth, and the light.
Your just jealous my goat is better then yours.

^ That is the real interpretation of your damn quotes.

Learn this. Religion is man made. Organized religion is man made. You are in organized religion. It is just something to brainwash people. To give ease of mind, and comfort to things that cannot nor will ever be explainable. You believe what you believe because you fear. Why do you assume that you are here you are here for a reason? Maybe we just all die and nothing exists thereafter. No spirits, no souls, no light. Just death.

But I see it now, your replies and beautiful quotes have shown me the truth and the light. I will go pray now.



Dumbass.

 

Drewbee,

Please shut the fuck up and go sit down.

[to the other posters: Had to say it - so sick and bloody tired of these morons who parachute into every discussion with these stupid 'Bill Marr' wannabe rants.]

Seriously Drew, come back when you have something to add.

For everyone else - GET OFF this childish retort which goes "Oh.. So just because [topic point at hand] .. then that proves your God exists eh!?"

Dumbass you.

 

Wait wait wait, do it again, it made me laugh. Come into the forum titled "Christian" and tell me we are annoying you.

Brocktoon, I understand your frustration. Really I do. Simply view people like him as an uneducated child asking why the sky is blue. It is obvious he does not understand what we are talkign about here. It is obvious that he is filled with hate. Soemthign happened in his life that gives him the need to strike out at others not like him. He may point the finger and call us "sheep", yet I look at him and think he is the sheep. Following along with what the world thinks and says without thinking for himself. Without actualy picking up a Bible and reading it. No different than the rest of them.

As for you drewbee, prove to me that God does not exist.

 

I dont know if I can even say its childlike.
Children have an excuse.

This is more like a Parrot.
You see these types in here all the time.. they are trying to emulate Bill Mar, Dennis Leary, Dennis Miller and Bill Hicks all in one lame attempt.
[and some of those 'cut the shit' comedians are over-rated anyway]

They just say the same crap (and its nothing more than insults and flamebaiting) and they cop an attitude that is supposed to sound so 'smart' and 'real'.

What you end up with are a bunch of college boys 'parroting' the same four 'burns' with an overdose of smugness.

 

I agree. I just laugh at some, and then others I shake my head in saddness.

 

And that is my point, you could prove me no different, while I could prove you no different, but yet we both add in our own words, yes no? If you followed what you had posted last, then you would not be "laughing at children" as it would be, but realizing that you are doing the exact same thing as I.

In religion yes, but in any other field I could more then likely take you 10 fold.

As for something bad happening in my life? Naw, not really. Can't say that is has. I've been pretty content with it so far. Don't get me wrong here, it hasn't been perfect. But I definatly have no need to be "filled with hate" as it would be. If you really knew me (just as I do not know you), I am sure we would get along just fine. I am one of the nicest people you will ever meet, as well have the most care for natures animals. Hate? Naw... I just get a little upset and have to stick my nose in when people are parading around with the fact that they are abosolutely right and everyone else is wrong. This usually doesn't bother me either, until it is being rebuttled back and forth.

Trust me, I get a laugh out of you religious types just as much as you get a laugh out of me. No worries about that one.

 

"Did you ever think its for the simple fact that no one gives a rats ass?"

-People would give all they had to prove Christianity wrong just so they don't have to be under the authority of God.... Look, people have websites just about proving the Bible wrong... There's books against the Bible... I mean just look at the great attempts that people make on here trying to prove the Bible wrong..... they hate God with a passion and main reason because he says that what they do is evil.


Here is your theme verse..
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

-1 Timothy 4:3,4


Also, I challege you and any army to attempt to tear down the gate... IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN... well until Jesus returns. Everyone is writing these books all they have to do is walk through a gate!

Jesus loves everyone and wants them to be with him and what does he get for that.... Everyone under the sun trying to prove that he is not God.

 

What I say is right becuz I say it's right, an if ya try to prove otherwise, yer goin to be unmercilessly tortured fer the rest of known existance. Hey, that sounds reasonable to me.

 

That is what sets me apart from them. I do not believe, in any way, that what I do is evil. Unless you consider living life to the fullest evil.

Once again, another prophecy that is easily forseeable.

Well I'll tell you what, when an army comes to this gate and do not knock it down, get back to me. Otherwise, it is nothing more then any other gate to me.

So rather, he gives us death, famine, disease and lets us suffer. Nice.




Got a question for you, I was pondering this today at work.

If it were proveable ( 100% gurentee aboslutely no possibility of it being wrong) that the bible, jesus, and god were proved to be a fake, would you believe it?

As it were reversed, and my version of "proveable" were to prove that he is real, I would believe. But I guess by your scriptures that would already be to late.

I think that is what sets us apart. The ability to accept the obvious.

Anyways, per request of the others, this is a discussion that cannot be proven either way, and thus will not venture a return from me after this.

Mai la lumière et l'énergie vraies de la vie vous guident
::BOWS::

 

if the bible was found to be with out a doubt false.... i would not believe it


I believe it only because it is based on something.... unlike most religions were blind faith is required.

 

Ya know this is kinda off subject but.... I was working with a K9 unit last night, it was so fun. The dogs are so nice and obedient. There was one named Sabre, who barks at you if you look at him wrong. I think im gonna try to be a K9 trainer now.

Oh yeah and God is cool.

 

So what's to stop you from believing in Judaism and the Torah? Or Islam and the Quran? Or Scientology and all those crap books by L. Ron Hubbard?

Don't see much of a difference between those and Christianity and the Bible.

 

Except he's right because the bible is right, and the bible is right because it says it is. DUH!!!

 

Of course, How could i have been so blind?

"because the bible tells me so" is a perfectly legitimate reason to devote your life to it.