Eastern Gate: An Atheist's Worst Nightmare

How do we know the prophecies are about the future?...

Just look at the Jews... they are still to this day fulfilling prophecy as God's timeline... and they still have much more still to fulfill.

• 10 being fulfilled now
• 10 fulfilled recently
• 10 fulfilled in 1948
• 10 fulfilled in 1900s
• 10 fulfilled before 1900
• 10 fulfilled long ago
• 10 more fulfilled long ago
• 10 End Time prophecies

 

The true number is 666, and that will be found in Revelation 13:18.

 

You can find 666 many places, and not just Nero. Also, if you take the time to read the prophecy, the beast will do great wonders, and he will make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he will deceive them that dwell on the earth by the miracles which he had power to do. And they will make an image of the beast and they will have power to give life to the image, so it shall both speak and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed. And he will cause both small and great, RICH AND POOR FREE AND BOND TO RECEIVE A MARK IN THEIR RIGHT HAND OR IN THEIR FOREHEADS: and NO man might buy or sell, save he that the mark, or the number of his name.

Here again you have to try and fit part of a prophecy and ignore the rest of it. When did Nero call fire down from heaven in the site of men? When did they make an image of Nero and bring it to life so it could speak?

What would angelic torment be like?

Revelation 14:9 threw 11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angles, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: an they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
I don't recall this happening under Nero.

When Christ returns again He will be with His Father, and everyone who ever lived in the past will be alive to see this for there is no death. That's why in Matthew 24:30 it states, And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in the heaven: and then shall ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH MORN, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. NOTE, ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH, NOT JUST SOME OF THEM.

The Scriptures were written for all mankind, but they are truly understood by those, WHO HAVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN THEM, FOR IT IS GOD'S SPIRIT THAT DOES THE TEACHING.

 

Sorry.

Of course.

Yes.

 

I'll take the liberty of answering this.

A. If an individual regards the Bible as the only scripture in which truth is to be found or had its origins with God, and reads and interprets it in the strictly literal manner of Campbell, JDFU, and those of like mind, no.

B. For those of other faiths, going to heaven or achieving spiritual enlightenment is entirely possible, based upon the scriptures of these faiths and the history, past and existing traditions, and personal testimonies that provide tangible evidence for these faiths.

Campbell and JDFU stake their entire argument for the exclusive truth of the Bible on Biblical prophecies and the proofs that they provide to support these prophecies.

 

You can always take 10 or 15 prophecies and try and make them fit into some other time, yet doing the same with 300 would be impossible. And there is only one man in history who fulfilled all three hundred of them, and did this in a very narrow window of time that would allow for their fulfillment.

 

But Jesus claimed he was the only way to salvation. So then Jesus was either a liar... which then I faith have a liar or He was who he said he was...

 

It is more than just prophecy but yes that it is a major part of the foundation of my faith.


This is what I literally believe:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.

The third day He arose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

 

It appears to me that when Jesus used the word "I," in the contexts that you refer to, that he was referring to "the Christ" and not the apparent manifestion of a man "from Nazareth" named "Jesus." And this means that if, for example, a person lived on an island and did not read "your book" and or did not use "your words," and that person followed the direct way to 'Christ consciousness' then that person would find heaven which is 'here and now.'


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You do not think the God who created the world could reach those who seek Him?

 

Kharakov,

Honesty with the self is the way to heaven.

David


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JDFU,

You write,

God makes and is directly in contact with all beings.

David


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No passage in Revelation has encouraged more speculation than this one. The infamous "mark of the beast" has been rendered in terms of everything from tattoos to implanted computer chips and has been fodder for every sort of wacky literalist theorist from Lindsey to Marrs. Perhaps someday we will see such a thing, but in the meantime, the first century already has a correlation. Let us keep in mind the meaning of "image" (eikon). An "image" is merely a contact point through which the authority of some deity is expressed. We are God's "image" because we exercise his authority on earth. The charge here is that the leadership of the Jewish nation gave Rome a place of authority to persecute the church. How? Let it be kept in mind that the Jews were given immunity from Emperor worship. By disassociating the church from themselves, the Jews essentially caused the church's protection from the "Jewish exception rule" to be withdrawn. The "mark" here is no literal mark -- it is a reverse parody of the "seal of God" on the foreheads of the 144,000, and of the allegiance marker specified in Deut. 6:8, "And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes." The Jewish disassociation of Christian believers with Judaism removed, in effect, the ability of believers to be protected from Emperor worship, and that (as is amply attested by works like The Christians as the Romans Saw Them) led, in a collectivist society in which deviant behavior was punished with sanctions, to more official sanctions which would include an inability to do the most basic things -- like buy or sell (an economic boycott). To see computer chips in this premonition is simply unnecessary. (There is also an allusion here to Ezekiel 9:4-6 and the "mark of destruction" placed upon the disloyal -- in Jerusalem!)

It is allegorical. Fire from heaven could easily be viewed as thousands of flaming catapult attacks. For an example of what I am talking about, watch Kindom of Heaven where Jerusalem is attacked.

See the above on the concepts of "images" for the second question.

Have you read Josephus. Read about the horrendous acts committed against the Jews in the war of 67 AD (a war that lasted 7 years, and had it's midway point in 70 AD... with the destruction of the Temple... just as Christ said in the Olivet Discourse).
Josephus details the graphic and bloody deeds accomplished in Judaea, with corpses everywhere clogging the waters and the streets, and blood running to the extent that, it is said, it quenched "the fire of many houses."

Matthew uses "tribes" elsewhere only of Israel [19:28] and "earth" is ge, or land, can mean a limited area or the entire globe; in context, and in the light of the use of "tribes," it most likely means Judaea only.

I agree to an extent. Your obsession with the idea that it is the ONLY way to understand complex passages of scripture is absurd.

 

THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS NOT A LITERAL MARK?
THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT THIS MARK MUST BE RECEIVED. AND GOES ONE STEP FURTHER AND STATES IT COULD BE PLACED ON YOUR FOREHEAD OR YOUR RIGHT HAND. THE FACT THAT THE TEXT IS GIVING YOU OPTIONS ONLY REINFORCES THE LITERAL.

FIRE COULD BE FLAMING CATAPULTS?
The text in scripture describes the actions of the Beast as miracles. Catapults are a long way from miracles.

If you receive the mark of the Beast you will be tormented by NERO?
No, The torment comes from God, and this torment is not a foot note of history. For the text states, that their torment will be an everlasting torment.

MATTHEW USES TRIBES ELSEWHERE ONLY OF ISRAEL?
If the Bible was only speaking of Israel, it would of stated Israel. The text supports a world wide event. Thats why it states that all the tribes of the EARTH. (NOT ALL THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL) AND THAT IS WHY THE BIBLE STATES THAT THIS TRIBULATION WILL BE SO BAD, THAT NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS HAPPENED SINCED THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD TO THIS TIME, AND NOTHING THIS BAD WILL EVER HAPPEN AGAIN.

AND WHAT IS OBSURD, IS THE WAY YOU TAKE WHAT IS CLEARLY STATED AND THEN DENY IT'S OBVIOUS MEANING, AND ATTEMPT TO FIT CERTAIN PARTS OF THE PROPHECY INTO THE ANCIENT PAST, WHILE IGNORING THE REST OF THE TEXT.

 

"And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

Ignorance of the truth of his words has deceived many.

You are in the Father, and the Father is in you, but do you know what this means?
The Father is greater than any of us, Jesus, you, me, anyone, yet cares for each of us individually as our Father's will flows through us in the works that our Father has set out for us to do. Jesus does not take credit for the works that the Father has set out for Jesus to do:

"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
"But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me."

The Bible teaches us about our relationship with God, from the eyes of Jesus Christ.

 

That's only a small part of it.

 

And yet Jesus said if you have seen Him you have seen the Father, for Jesus and the Father are one. Which you do not believe.

 

I Call For A Stop!!!!!!!!



IVE HAD ENOUGH!!!!!IM SORRY FOR EVER USING THESE POSTS AS GRUDGE MATCHES CAMBELL AND JD4U

WHAT IS THIS? ALL THESE POSTS EVER TURN OUT TO BE ARE BADLY CONCEALED GRUDGE MATCHES! SOMETHING I HAVE TO SAY IS QUITE AMUSING BUT A WASTE OF ENERGY!

SO YOU BELIEVE YOUR THING LITERAL BIBLE BELIEVERS AND NON CHRISTIANS BELIEVE OTHER TRUTHS! CAMBELL- WHAT IS THE POINT IS WRITING THIS STUFF? DO YOU WANT A DEBATE? BECAUSE I THINK U ARE THE LEAST LIKELY PERSON EVER TO BACK DOWN ON YOUR TAKES ON THE BIBLE!!! WHY BOTHER WRITING? IF YOU KNOW ALL THIS STUFF JUS KEEP CONTENT IN THE FACT YOU CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE AND OTHERS WILL BE GUTTED WHEN YOU ARE CORRECT. I HAVE FOUND MYSELF (AND THIS MIGHT BE ME SOLELY BEING AN IDIOT) SKIPPING BITS OF YOUR POSTS JUST TO ARGUE THE OTHER SIDE! A WASTE OF TIME! BY THE WAY I DONT THINK IM SMART COZ I DO THAT INFACT I EMBARESS MYSELF.

PEOPLE WHO DONT BELIEVE IN LITERAL MEANING IN BIBLE!!! BE CONTENT IN YOUR FACT THAT YOU GET ENTERTAINMENT FROM READING THIS, AND THAT YOU FIND LITERERAL BIBLE BELIEVERS TIME WASTERS. FOR FUCK SAKES DONT JUS TRY AND FIND FAULT THO- THIS STUFF WAS WRITTEN FOR A REASON WOTS THE SUBTEXT OF THE BIBLE?

THIS KIND OF POSTING JUST BREEDS ANGER, PISS TAKING ON BOTH SIDES, ANGER, PISS TAKING ON BOTH SIDES, AND ANGER.

CAN WE SET UP A FORUM BASED ON DISCUSSING THE REASONS THE BIBLE WAS CREATED AND ITS SUB TEXTS, ONE ON THE REASONS PEOPLE GET PISSED OFF WITH EACHOTHER OVER RELIGION- ESPECIALLY WHY ATHEISTS GET PISSED WITH CHRISTIANS- THAT IS INTERESTING

PLEASE??? NO ONE SHOULD TAKE OFFENCE IM TRYING TO BE TWO SIDED.

 

That would be cool, but I think it would have to be a closed personal forum.

 

wots a closed personal forum? i dont know my way around this site much, how u set up?