Dutch Government Collapses, To Withdraw from Afghanistan

It's funny how quickly people forget history. Does anyone remember what Saddam did to the Kuwaiti fields when retreating and the environmental and economic mess that resulted for Kuwait.

 

Syd, Pavlov would be proud of you. I knew my last post would bring you around.

I stand by my statement. (although I was mistaken about Karzai)

I may not be very eloquent in my writing but I do my research.

So...deal with this and get back to me.

http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp11302009.html

http://130.94.183.89/magazine/pipeline.html

As a student of history I've done lots of research as to why the US has had so many wars and incursions. My answer was given to me by a great American hero...Gen. Smedley Butler.

Check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0"]YouTube- War is a Racket by Smedley Butler

With this video and Eisenhower's warning about the "military industrial complex" prove to me that the American modus operandi is any different concerning Afghanistan and Iraq.

Btw...I voted complete withdrawal.

Zen

 

As I said, wow, talk of a pipeline, like the other 200 pipelines that are on someone's drawing board around the world that have all never even left the drawing board.

You've done nothing to address the actual real world situation around Afghanistan, rambling about the military industrial complex is not pragmatism. Come back when you have a solid answer for what you would've done instead following 9/11.

Like I said, funny how quickly people forget things, Afghanistan wasn't Iraq. Afghanistan had broad support from both government and people around the world. People are too short sighted to realize wars just don't end when you topple the former government.

 

No? Remember "Shock and Awe" or the videos showing the smart bombs and laser guided missiles blowing the crap out of military targets. How about the videos of the 50 cal. guns tearing the shit out of soldiers? Guess not.

Your post has made it painfully clear that you have little to no military experience or knowledge. After taking an area the FIRST thing done is secure military bases, arms depots and military/government offices and buildings...not damned oil fields. Also, an army isn't just men.

Zen

 

You haven't answered the question, Syd.

Prove to me the MO is any different.

Zen

 

This Afghanistan operation has been going for just over eight years now. One of the most primitive countries on earth and the world 'superpower' just keeps spinning its wheels. No wonder the Dutch are packing it in - they're coming to their senses. The American MIC needs ongoing conflict but nobody else does. It's inexcusable that America has been 'unable' to get the job done even after suffering the twin towers attack. Maybe the order to stand down when Bin Laden's capture was imminent reveals the truth of what's really at stake,

 

Shock and awe was fighting from afar, not troop-to-troop fighting. The video I've seen of an M2 going through somebody was with an insurgent who had an RPG, not a soldier. Big difference there. A soldier wouldn't have been trying to take out a convoy by himself, in the middle of the road, without any cover.

Haha.... If you say so.

The invading force was big enough and was able to secure a few bases and airfields during the initial invasion, while at the same time securing the most important thing in Iraq - the oilfields. Even a fourth grader would know that you don't leave the only thing that can make money in the entire country left unguarded for anyone to steal or burn.

 

have u people forgotten that their the ones who attacked us on 9/11 & they have no intention of disbanding? We had no business in Iraq, this is where all of our attention should have been focused in the place. What's it gonna take for u people to wake the hell up? Another major attack on U.S. soil?

 

Please remind us all exactly who attacked us on 911.
Iraq? Saddam? Bin laden? Taliban? Al-Qaeda?

 

Mostly it was Saudi Arabians who were members of Al Quaeda which was presided over by Osama Bin Laden (also a Saudi). Al Quaeda, because of their radical fundamentalist Islamic vision, are natural allies to The Taliban and both were/are entrenched in the Alfghanistan/Pakistan corridor.

The job immediately following the horrendous 911 attacks was to destroy or at least utterly decimate and uproot these radical factions. The job was begun but then all but abandoned so as to go after a much easier win against Iraq (not an imminent danger according to the UN inspectors who were supervising) where Al Quaeda had very little presence due to the iron-fisted control that Saddam Hussein weilded there. Had the Afghanistan/Pakistan operation been stuck to, Iraq could have later been approached at comparative leisure and accomplished much easier

AND AL QUAEDA WOULD HAVE BEEN CRIPPLED

but Bush's idiotic, opportunistic attempt at self-glorification has instead insured that the U.S. remains in conflict for many years. Just as the MIC and its affiliated arms industry likes it.

 

Worldsofdarkblue

Liked your post.

If you haven’t already, I think you’d like watching the documentaries ‘The Power of Nightmares’ by Adam Curtis (I think it can still be found around the web). It comes in three parts

Part 1 - Baby it's Cold Outside
Part 2 - The Phantom Victory
Part 3 - The Shadows in the Cave

Here is how wiki describes them

Enjoy

 

It’s not surprising that there is opposition to deployment in Afghanistan in many NATO countries. A lot of the general public and many in politic and the military feel they were conned and used, by the US policymakers of the time, they signed up to help out in Afghanistan, under the attack one attack all clause of NATO, only to have the US bugger off to Iraq.

 

Thanks Balbus. I'll look for them.

 

Here it is..

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/power_of_nightmares.php

ZW

 

The outcome of this poll has given me hope for us humans!

 

Thank god our leaders are more pragmatic, otherwise there'd be no hope for the Afghani people.

 

I love the bleeding hearts who moo over the cassulties caused by U.S and other outside countries involvment but turn a blind eye towards the deaths and misery caused by infighting and confrontations with nearby leaders of the country.

Literal theocracy (theocrazy? ) will never work.

 

The 50 idiots who voted to immediately pull out should be made to live under Taliban rule for a month. You'd be changing your vote.



Above: Two members of the opposition hanged.The bodies of the two men will remain on the cranes all day as part of Taliban's policy to deter others. "I am very upset because these people are human beings," said Zair Ahmed, a sixth grader on his way to school, wearing the mandatory black turban and clutching a handful of books. "They are our countrymen. We should feel pity for them."

So Skip, and the other 49 of you, you think this is a good thing?

 

Fuck off dipshit, it's a cheap shot and you know it...

ZW

 

I wonder if all that concern about Afghani's is genuine.