Drinking Raw Milk Is A Crime

Well, inspections and testing seem to be all that is expected from Rawesome Foods, but, James Stewart, doesn't wish to comply. That seems to be where his problems are.
Ron Paul seems to be suggesting he can't, but he can - if his stock is tested/inspected.
What is 'unjust and unconstitutional' about inspections and testing?

Texas:
Retail Sale of Raw Milk Allowed?No
Other Sale of Raw Milk AllowedYes - sales on farm allowed.
Citations:25 TX ADC § 217.24 (permit required to sell raw milk at retail); 25 TX ADC § 217.32 (raw milk may only be sold direct to consumer at farm where produced).
Requirements:Bacteria < 20K/mL, coliform < 10/mL, pathogen count zero. 25 TX ADC § 217.28.
http://www.realrawmilkfacts.com/raw-milk-regulations/state/texas

There does seem to be restrictions on raw milk, but you seem to be able to get it in over half the states in the US. I think you can buy it here, too.
I suppose the next best thing would be organic milk.

I don't really want to be paying:
6 pints of Raw Milk 3 X 2 pints cartons £14.80
http://www.bigbarn.co.uk/marketplac...k~HookSonRawMilk_Hailsham_BN27_raw_milk_cream

If raw milk was more abundant, or as popular as pasturised milk - it would obviously go down in price.
Perhaps even to similar prices as pasturised milk - which is about £0.50 a pint.
I don't think £0.50 is an unreasonable amount of money - I imagine with out farm subsidies it would be a lot more.

It's your thread

 

It's one thing to demand a degree of quality control if you are selling the milk, however to flatly outlaw quality healthy milk simply bc possibly it might could be bad is going a bit too far.

 

Well, drinking raw milk does not seem to be a crime. Neither is selling it.
It doesn't actually seem to be about raw milk per se.
Reading some of the treatment he received it does does seem to have gone overboard.
But we are only really hearing his account (Forbes:the raid itself appears to have been pretty by-the-book, rather than a SWAT-style raid as originally reported by Natural News) .
He seems to be trying to bypass any kind of quality control and sell the milk.

 

This is a shame. One of the benefits of raw milk is it cures pink eye. Dropping raw milk, second behind human breast milk, into the eye is a great cure for pink eye.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/pinkeye-fast-and-easy-home-remedy/

 

Raw milk is a million times healthier than pasteurized milk, which isn't very healthy at all and is loaded with dead bacteria. Most of the good bacteria, enzymes and other nutrients that make milk a potentially healthy drink are lost to the pasteurization process. That is a fact! It pisses me off to no end that I have to go through such as hassle to acquire raw milk, and am often forced to drink the nasty shit that's bought at the store.

(As a side note... for those of you who cannot acquire raw milk, the next best thing is WHOLE, ORGANIC, NON-HOMOGENIZED MILK, which is vat pasteurized at a lower temperature. Often small dairies sell this.)

So yeah, I am staunch supporter of raw diary and once again believe the government needs to go seriously fuck itself if they think they can dictate what I put into my body.

 

Hmm, that article sounded like something I would read posted in the "conspiracy theory" section of the forums, not something, I assume, written by an educated politician.
Lot's of silly assumptions and exaggerated statements, but whatever.

Whenever all these type of topics come up; anarchy over central gov., no taxes, use a barter system, eat/drink raw/organic, etc.,etc, I'm always puzzled by something, HOW?

I understand and appreciate a lot of the arguments proffered in defense of such changes, but I am always left with a nagging question that as of yet nobody has been able to answer.
How in the hell do you adapt these "small population economics" to the population numbers and more importantly population densities that exist in today's world?

Let's take the raw milk issue for example.
Sure raw milk is ultimately better and healthier for the individual.
But the problem has a lot to do with the shelf-life and stability of raw milk over pasteurized/homogenized milk. For those who have ready access to direct sources and live in rural areas, such as you Shameless, this is not an issue. But for people living in high population density areas with no ready access to the producing farms, the choice to drink raw milk then becomes much more of a monetary decision than a health decision. It costs a lot more to package/store/ship raw dairy with more loss due to spoilage than processed milk.
Add into that increased time between udder and consumer with the possibility of pathogens that can multiply in the milk converting it to poison, the laws and restrictions make sense.
Refusing to comply doesn't make sense.

With the high population numbers and areas of very high population density, could someone please lay out a plan to bring about the end of invasive government, no taxes, all organic and all natural foods/products AND still have a functioning society at the scale we now have without any inequalities that proponents of such change herald as one of it's most alluring qualities.

Can someone please tell me how it will actually work, because as far as the ideal and dream go, I'm all for it, now to just make it actually work..............


logistics are a bitch

 

Calm down, Pressed_Rat.
They can correct me if I am wrong, but a couple of people think that inspections and testing is a good thing, and quality control is needed - if you are going to sell the raw milk. All three I think are a good thing.
So you don't want any inspections/testing and don't care about quality control?
From what I can see, the government isn't dictating what you can drink as far as raw milk is concerned.

It should be easier for you to acquire raw milk, and not have to pay a premium for it.

What do you actually think I'm saying that is any different than others have said?

The larger supermarkets sell that here, too. My dad buys both.

U.S http://www.walmart.com/ip/Oak-Farms-Vitamin-D-Whole-Milk-1-gal/17177153

I'm really sorry there isn't a ma and pa farmer selling raw milk on every street corner...

 

Ron Paul is an idiot.

 

They laid some smack-down here during the summer with a local guy selling raw.
I'm happy with my whole milk but I'd like to try some raw for my cheese making, just to see the difference.

 

Talk about inflammatory...Ron Paul's writers know what kind of copy feeds his frothing anti-gov audience.

First of all, this guy selling raw milk( James Stewart)was not taken by the cops, nor government agents but bail-bondsmen!
And it was his friend who put up the bail that called it in.
Steward had apparently jumped $30,000 bail in Los Angeles County on charges of illegally selling raw milk, plus another $100,000 bail in Ventura County.
His buddy, Mark McAfee was the person who put up $100,000 in personal collateral for the bond in Venice County. McAffee runs the largest raw-milk distributor in cali) In doing so, he put his house on the line, knowing that if Stewart failed to make the necessary court appearances, he could lose his home.

The bail bond agents and McAfee tried to convince Stewart both the day before the arrest and the day of the arrest to turn himself in. But their pleas were in vain. McAfee said that he had contacted the bond company because Stewart had told him he wasn’t going to attend the hearings. “He refused to do that,” McAfee said. “He said he’d go into hiding.”

McAfee said Stewart had fired the highly qualified lawyer working on the case and opted instead to work with what McAfee described as a “non-lawyer type” from Las Vegas. He had apparently bought into the notion of the ‘sovereign man,’ which urges people to claim their ‘Common Law Inherent Rights’ and defend themselves against “all levels of abuse from Government and Statutes.”
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/07/rawesome-foods-founder-arrested/#.US7XujdbdIc

 

There's probably some risk in leaning too far in that direction.

 

Isn't it crazy ?!
What about this ... http://www.naturalnews.com/039244_milk_aspartame_fda_petition.html

 

Yes they are..... THEY WANT PPL HAVING FOOD WITH BAD GARBAGE IN IT!!!!!

They might even ADD ASPERTAME TO MILK!! (If the stupid FDA approves it)

www.naturalnews.com/039244_milk_aspartame_FDA_petition.html

BE ALERT EVERYONE!!!!!!!!! -- IT WILL BE DETECTABLE BY THE AWEFUL TASTE!!


EDIT:

OOPS the reply right above mine mentions this link!! (I cant believe i didnt see it before) Sorry jaredfelix!

 

We've had quality control inspections in the US since the 19th century. Why should milk get a pass? If it's safe, it will presumably pass inspection just like it has for a long time. What's the fucking problem?

 

The problem is the double standard regarding what constitutes "safe milk". Did you read the link above your post?

 

Yes, and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with raw milk and the OP, but rather that there is a petition to allow the FDA to accept certain other ingredients including aspertame as safe. My point is the OP seems to be on about raw milk being illegal, when the issue is just allowing it to be inspected. This petition would have no effect on the regulations required of raw milk whatsoever, other than the fact that it too, could get away with certain ingredients.

 

That is fucking ridiculous.

 

We Farmers, spend countless hours raising whatever, pour our last dollar into it, Produce, Livestock, Eggs, even crafts.. we travel a hundred miles or more to get to Big Towns to supply ppl with Farm Grown foods at the Farmer's Markets.

There is a Farmer's Market is most towns, if you don't have one in your town, start one. Getting ppl to show up is what is a chore. We sit and wait while our produce rots in the boxes bc not enough ppl show up. We lose money in travel expenses and the cost of planting/raising product, plus our time.

The high cost of feed/seed is putting the local Farmer out of business. We don't get a big enough turn over to cover the costs.

We had at one time 164 hogs, 11 cows, one Bull, 20 goats, 20 Turkeys, 40 chickens, 11 dogs, a Horse and a Burro.

We pulled about 400 chicks out of the incubators a month, and annually we had,, hundreds of baby pigs, 11 Calves, 20 Kids and about 50 or more pups to sell.

Every yr we had to downsize the animals bc feed prices were raising. Over a Five Yr period we are now down to 20 chickens 3 dogs and my Burro.

Our farm was inspected annually by Fowl inspectors and bovine inspectors. We had to pay for these 'services' also.

We use to be able to trade goods with our fellow farmers but it's hard to find a farmer anymore. Where this use to be Dairy country, you don't see many Dairies anymore either.

 

Meanwhile, the government approved milk which is loaded with animal growth hormones, GMOs, and other nasty shit is deemed perfectly safe and acceptable.

Hmmmmmmmmm

 

So why keep doing it, if it's clear that not enough people want to purchase your products?

edit: I'm honestly curious, not trying to start shit