dreadlock truth (Ongoing Debate)

Where are the mods?!! People are "spamming" this thread with direct links to a rival dread forum(which I love, by the way) But they neither seem interested in this, or in the fact that a new member of the HipForums is openly hostile and hell bent on insulting anyone with an opinion that differs slightly from his own.



DjNgatidread, maybe nobody here wants to be anywhere near in the same league as you. You've got brilliant locks, and respect for the years of patience, but you're also coming across as a first class asshole. DT is a great site, I agree, so why not just go over to them? But... since you're here, you prolly ought to respect the forum rules and also not attack the members who have been here for years. We're not all rastafarian, many but not all of us believe the patience is the way to go, I've never seen a pro-wax argument here... and if you take offense to people doing things differently than you do, why not start your own forum on the evils of not only wax but also... store-bought clothing? Eating meat? Is buying food from a market taking the easy way out, because you didn't plant it, raise it and harvest it yourself?


I dunno. Sorry about the rant. Didn't mean to be rude...

 

much respect to djnagti
i totaly understand where your comming from, butthis isa wider community then just those who dread for spiritual reasonings\
and although there has been some hostility directed at those with natural locks i think its more of a deffence having fely ayyacked for theyre mistakes
un some ways i agree with you but id also like to make a point as well,
dreads may start or many reasons some not as pure be it fashion or whatever, but if they survive the mistakes they still teach the same lessons and over years we all end up in near the same place
when a chold grows his childs locks its not as important that they understand what a mature dread knows as it is that those locks survive long enough to impartthat wisdom.

i assume that djnagya your vagatariqan..when you 1st gave up eatting meat, you may have only understoo 1 r 2 reasons to do that, but a few years later those reasons multiplied into thousands of reasons
the dread journey can be the same, starting for fashion and ending in deep spitituality
as long as they get there
when you 1st gave up meay you may have been ridiculed by both meateaers and vegans alike for not holding theyre xact beluefs yet you stuck with iot nd gained greatter understanding
my point is rediculing the "shitlocks" wonthelp them to grow and gain understanding but will cause animosity towards those whoact all higher then thou
iunderstand yor in your way trying to yude others to see dreads as you see them, but the wayyou do it is having the opposite effect.
i sdo agree with mych of what you say, however the way its being aid puts up a wall between you and those your trying to impsart wisdom to.
they need to get there on theyre own terms..over time
you will never convince anyon th they should only dread for spiritual reasons..at least not till theyve kept theyre reads long enough to understand the sopiritual reason behid them..
that is the primary reason to be here..to teach the right ways to grow and maintain dreads

its 1 thing to say to someone when you dread you have the options to go natural or use these methids to speed it up (backcombing whatever) or you can buy insta dreads at a salon that weillonly be a mess and end up ct in a year you can explain all the disadvantages of the "cheater" methids and its perfectly fine ofcourse to try to explain why the natural path is better from aspiritual perspective, but..to shame people into not wanting todread if they already dont have a pure spiritual reason to dread will only mean far fewer peiople end up with the spiritual understyanding in the end

so lets not trty to blast ayone for wanting to take the journey
lets juswt try to help them find the clearest path to the destination..


many have been mislead and been scammed into trying wax..and yes thats a mistake and yes it is right to tell them so..
but is it ok to say they dont desserve locks because they were mislead? no..

you are right that bobmarley is abig unfluence on so many who deside to dread.. bob was a symbol of a spiritual revolition a revolution requires many many many participants.. if babyl;on is to fall qand be replaced with a more spiritual people thben we will need the masses to understand what we understand
we need more dreads noy lewss.. and especialy need more dreads that will last the 5-10 uears ot takes many to rvolve in theyre thinking


i do think there is a place here for the tweaching of the spirituality of the dread jopurney (perhaps in its own thread..we probly should have a broad ranged discussion of the spirituality of dreading, not only from the rasta perspective but from all traditioins that dread) but its not this thread where it belongs

here lets just concentrate on 1 thing only..helping to ensure that deads survive long enough to teach what they teach
its fine to explain why the natural path is prefferable to other paths, but from a spiritual erspecyive and also for the healthiness of the dreads (and survivability as well)

but we must allow others to begin the journey any way they choose, and just try toi guide them as much as we can to surviving the 1st few years so they can begin to see the light
ofcourse we shopuld encourage them to make as few mistakes as we can, and try tio gyude thm to follow the pirest path as we see it but to call all that do not follow that path wrontg or undesserving will only limmit the number who gain from the experience

lets try to keep things possitive and understanding

 

QFT ...dreadlock truth...

 

" but you're also a first class asshole"(which was just conveniently edited to save face I expect),ahem I never called anyone names.Just stated it as I personally see it.Which may be right or wrong it doesnt matter.What does matter is this is a free speech site of which I have taken full advantage of,without I might add calling anyone names.So in this vein "you prolly ought to respect the forum rules and also not attack the members" you might not like to openly call people names.
"why not start your own forum on the evils of not only wax but also... store-bought clothing? Eating meat? Is buying food from a market taking the easy way out, because you didn't plant it, raise it and harvest it yourself?"
Now this is a highly constructive topic which hits me close to home.I have run my own organic eco-garden scaping business for over ten years now"DrGreenthumb Organic Garden Care".I promote design and implement organic lifestyle gardens.Which has turned around many peoples perspective on eating and living right,and has had somewhat of a snowball effect in mine and surrounding areas.I admit I come across staunch,but this is who I am.Hundreads of years ago a man was respected and revered for standing up for what he believes in.The response I have had here proves that even amongst the ranks of dreadlockery noone is brave enough to rock the boat.We are products of our environment are we not?I live in a Island in the south Pacific(New Zealand) where we pride ourselves on being the cleanest greenest country in the world.Hence I am a product of my environment.Lets not go into the weapons of mass distraction,used by government and media alike in your countries(i am guessing most on here are from the UK and america).You are but bi-products of your own environments,those who are svelt of intellect will understand what I mean.In other words you are not even aware of your governments dumbing down programmes of the last fifty years,so you are also unaware as to what effect it has had on your outlook.And also unaware of how that affects your arguements.Lets just cut straight through the bullshit shall we?!And after all that you added a little disclaimer in the form of "I dunno,sorry about the rant",this is exactly my point too damn PC.So much so you speak your mind but just to ensure noone can hold you to it you add that at the end.Absolute vagueness!Hey Babylon your cracks are showing!

 

I don't see how any good can come from the naturals and waxers bad mouthing each other.

I started off as a backcomber. I feel this site really helped me figure out what was best for my dreads which was to quit the wax. I don't need it because all it did was bring out acne thanks to the waxed pillow.

Now it's not in my hair anymore, my dreads are beautiful and I love them but I can't see why people can't accept that there will be naturals who say natural is the best way and there'll be waxers who say waxing is the best way.

 

Soaring,you are a wise old soul indeed.But does this mean you should take the position of peacekeeper?Sometimes it is just more fun to sit back and watch things unfold,dont you think?
"if they survive the mistakes they still teach the same lessons and over years we all end up in near the same place"
I feel the mighty seven dreaded warrior Samson would disagree.They werent wax dreads that gave him all his strength that caused resentment and hatred amongst the Philistines.Probably a biblical metaphor but they were natural locks.And as with the Philistines the true Mighty dread shall push down the pillars upon wannabes and wish they weres.My brethren,I beseech you!Raise you voices in praise and trod down the walls of Jericho.DONT BE AFRAID TO STAND UP AGAINST ALL THOSE WHO WOULD DARE TO SLANDER YOUR NAME AND HARD WORK!My locks carry with them the energy and memory of everything that has happened to me in the last nine years.Including sticks, leaves,dirt, bugs, air, rivers and oceans of all my worldly travels and learnings.It is the trials, tribulations and jubilations of life that bind the twisted hairs that will rule the Earth as stated in Revelation.
"my point is rediculing the "shitlocks" wonthelp them to grow and gain understanding but will cause animosity towards those whoact all higher then thou"
At the end of the day Soaringeagle it is the motivation behind shitlocks that angers me.Locks come from time,and NO other way.To have someone look at your (natural)locks and think to themselves "wow,this is where I want to be in my life"is great, but what they are subconciously seeing is the power or Mana behind the image.The desire to emulate this is admirable,but to go out and get waxed is a cop out and they end up cheating themselves.If it takes a Roaring Lion to point out the fact that this is wrong,so be it!This is how things changed in the first place and how revolutions have started throughout history.One or two powerful voices Can make a difference.And from what I have read here you have had the same mallarchy for speaking your mind too.Difference is my brethren,I will not apologise for who I am and what I believe in!Much love and nuff respect Soaring eagle

 

I understand you dont like squabbling.Seems as you have done what is right.But I will not stop defending the Naturals as you call them as natural is the only way.This includes not sitting back and taking crap from wishtheyweres.No amount of justification will prove to me that Unnatural is better.Its like saying smoking Meth is healthier than smoking weed.Black is black and white is bumbaclaat white!

 

"people disrespecting you? opinion. cheating? opinion."
Not opinion,truth.All those who take the time to GROW their locks are being blatantly disrespected by those who get there heads worked like a checkerboard.And heres why..those who are not in the know do not know the difference and so put us all in the same boat.Hence we get labelled as rocklocks amd trendites along with the worst of them which is DISRESPECTFUL to those who have worked so damn hard.
Cheating is a fact.Like when you get the answers in advance to a school exam,waxheads are doing the same thing.Mostly they are but cheating themselves but cheatin nonetheless.
"i havent even put my opinion on what side of this "argument" (if you call screaming your core beliefs at people and having them bounce off as nonsense an argument) im on because it is pointless"
You shouldnt discount and degrade your own beliefs and opinions like that..Perhaps they are(unlike mine),in which case why waste your time typing them as you have already downgraded your opinions as pointless.
Ras Tafari

 

Fa all ya swine eatn,wine drinkin tubsters out there.Check da vid by me true dreadlock brethren.Bun up Babylon like piece a paper afi bun up de kill eaters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9Cmt8E1NYI
NO BONES NO BLOOD IN A ME KITCHEN, ME SYNCRONISE WITH THE MOST HIGH VISION!!

 

Hey man, i see your point and i guess your right when it comes to my age, i am young and have allot to learn.

For me, dreads started as an obsession 4 years ago. I grew my hair out and then got it cut cause i didn't think i was ready. i regretted it and grew my hair out again with the intention of getting dreads. At the time i didn't know much about them so i got them backcombed...literally the next day i found this site and since then its been a constant state of learning and realization. both cause of this site and cause of my dreads.

I guess my point is that yes, i started out wanting dreads for the "look" but they mean so much more to me now because they have taught me allot about life in only 2 months. I'm sure that i have allot more to learn, and i guess i wont understand fully what your saying till i learn it for my self.

Peace.

 

Nicely edited.Sheesh are the moderators real lax or what?Great to see there is no need for censorship.Hooray for hippies!

 

All good Ras.Appreciate the props.I understand everyone has their own ways,I just get irked when people dont give respect where respect is due when it comes to true locks.As they grow and truly knot you will find you will have an onus(obligation) to hold your head high and act in a dignified way.Which can be empowering yet humbling at the same time.

 

Sorry man, I didn't know what else to call the "naturals" no offence intended. I understand you want to defend your hard work and your locks are beautiful.I know you say that natural is the only way, but what about those of us who have been wrongly fed crap from "loctians" and other dreadlock companies who INSIST that wax is the only way to get dreads??

In my case I have been told time and time again that nothing but wax will do. That to go down the natural route will only end up in tears and "disgusting" hair. If I'd have known 3 years ago that to start dreadlocks, all you need is patience, I wouldn't have ruined my hair and taken them out and started again. My orginal locks would have been 3 years old in Jan.

It's only since I found this site that I have realised that getting the wax out is the best thing for me. I'm fairly new to using forums. So when I tried to research I get stuff like this where it says to achieve natural dreads you still need to use wax:
http://www.geocities.com/dreadlocks_katie/#3 I tried to find an interesting snippet from DreadHead HQ where it says people like you are the enemy in the dread world but couldn't find it.

I guess what I'm trying to get across is that shouldn't we get credit from you for now going as natural as possible? Because if we'd have had the information that the 100% natural was THE only way, we'd have gone down that road in the first place. Hope you understand my point.
:cheers2:

 

I do understand your point.In saying that though there will always be the few who ruin it for the many by taking the easy way out and then taking full cred as if they were real.But I digress, seems as if there are some genuine souls out there willing to take on advice.
Thanks for the compliment,but dont you think beautiful is a strong word for a crusty ole lockheads dreads?Thanks but there is no need to exaggerate.My real point of posting photos was to show it can be done.

 

I wasn't exaggerating. I see what you mean now by those who ruin it, and I agree with you. I recall meeting my mother in law in town a few weeks back and this guy with wax in his dreads, point and laugh at mine along with "bet she doesn't wax them". I disregarded it though but his dreads were CAKED in wax. I don't hate on wax users in the slightest but it did make me sad that he couldn't comprehend I'd given up on wax.

 

Those unable to comprehend usually will never get it.Like you say its not worth getting your locks in a tangle over someone like that.Hard as it may be believe me I know how hard it is.It is that mixture of arrogance and ignorance that drives me nuts.If only ignorance were painful huh?Oh and thanks again I guess.

 

you say it yourself that the locks are different, no, that they don't even have locks actually. they "cheat" to get the wrong answer, one that is visibly wrong to people who can recognize what locks looks like through their stages of life.

they cheat themselves out of the journey and a lifestyle, but instead manufacture a look for themselves that is often temporary.

so what are they cheating exactly? they get fake locks that happen over night. if i was going to cheat, i'd try to get the right answers at least. are they cheating work? hardly, all we have to do is live and the locks grow. they have to go through money, time and effort to get their hair looking how it is. so by cheating they've made more work for themselves? or they could be cheating time? time for the locks to form? my head was resembling something like locks within 3 weeks, that isn't much time and according to everyone here, wax heads only have things that look like locks too, not actual mature locks.

so i don't understand what the problem is. do you have a problem with people identifying naturals as waxheads and vice versa? if anyone asks do i use wax or suggest it, i inform them on how the methods are different and produce different results. something as small as that (not even an inconvenience really, more like a conversation starter) is nothing to build walls between people over. i'm not disrespected, i'm often envied but waxxys because i put no time and no effort into my hair while they devote sometimes upwards of 2 hours a day.

if anything, i feel that i'm disrespecting people who had huge problems with "fake" locks and are now trying incredibly hard to salvage what they have. they work harder and longer than any waxhead and natural combined. there are 2 or 3 i know of on this board.

i have no problem with people getting locks through any method or any motive, as long as they know how the methods are different.

if random people think i am the same as a waxhead, i don't care. if they want to say something or talk to me, i'll respond. if people think my hair is dirty, i give them proof. thats about the biggest problem i see with being grouped with waxheads. if god forbid that they think my hair was done over night... i tell them otherwise. problem solved.

all of these things like i said are based on the core values of people. you'll be hard pressed to be the one to change their mind and their life, especially over the internet. these big changes in thinking only happen from within yourself, or can be unlocked when someone is involved heavily in another person's life. if people are set in their ways, you won't change them like this. you'll only influence the open minded. if someone doesn't want to be influenced, you waste your breath, that is why i say it is pointless.

so essentially this entire post has been a contradiction. it was made to clarify the things i say, but more importantly to change people's opinions towards waxheads. to give them a break. obviously that wont happen, but at least you know where i stand.

 

Waxheads are all forgiven. We just need to be sure that people who come to this site are aware that 99.9% of people experienced with locks are against it.

 

Yeah, I edited. One sentence. Or was it two? Because I reread what I wrote and realised that I was more an asshole than anyone. I didn't mean to judge your character, just wanted to point out to you what you might not have realised... that (at least to some, for instance me) you're coming across as an immature twat without actually clarifying anything. Sorry for that.

 

Once again you cant say anything without calling names."I was more of an asshole than anyone" yep you sure have proved that.
As for "without actually clarifying anything" I feel I made my point very clear and have even had good guys like ozzy, apologising.Once again I am not going to lower myself to your level by calling anyone names,as you have previously admitted you are already "more of an asshole than anyone."And you have the cheek to say I am not being clear wow.Chill woman afore you blow a fucking fru-fru valve.