downfall of society

i'm sorry but maybe you can read the story of asmodean and me that are standing on page 2 and 3. And i'm talking about the netherlands. Also the black death was in the end of the middle ages, aids and stuff is aslo fucked right... the wars that are today are also fucking great right? the convincing of people to do something that we don't do as human in the prehistory is also still going on....
maybe better than in the middle ages...

 

first the rich because they had the money so they could affort it. like people that were merchants and stuff[/QUOTE]

i'm not sure, but living more natural is definatly easyer for some people than strugle your way in some kind of formed society.[/QUOTE]

the mentality is not different, is has the same goal...

i'd like to talk about prehistoric times, if it was maybe better than...

 

Maybe, the problem with prehistoric times is that we don't have actual sources of how their society worked. We only can compare it with people who still live kinda like we think the people in prehistoric times lived. I'm pretty sure they lived more in harmony with nature then the people in the middle ages though!

 

yeah if we look at that people we can learn a lot about our prehistoric times. I think it's very interesting. because a lot of programs, books and so on tell us how prehistoric people nowadays life in such harmony without worries and stuff. Of course some of this tribes are changing because of the west idea is marching up so fast... that is sad.
We can use positive things from our past to change things nowadays, like the knowledge of primitive crafts. Using something a lifetime long... Or look at what they have to do in one day, it's maybe 3 hours or something searching food and the rest of the day you can sit on your ass making food and stuff like baskets, clothing, talking with the other people, make fun and so on...

 

Sounds like the life to me! Of course some people should have to travel for some work (hospital or for products you can't construct at home, for example). I think if everyone would work parttime, together and with more caution about our (not our in our country, but worldwide of course) surroundings it would be a lot better. But yeah, that isn't good for our (country's) fucking economy. We have the wrong priorities nowadays, and that's what will cause our downfall in the end..

 

The west won't be "out of the running", it will adapt as it has always done. Why do people always attack the west as if there is something inherantly wrong with it? It's a culture like all the others.

 

People attack the west because people in the west (in the us) tend to be idiots. Most of them anyway.

 

I guess people 'attack' the west all the time because throughout history we had the most influence on the world, and so also are generally held responsable for the bad things.
A culture like all the others? Which others do you mean exactly? No culture is like the others.

 

By culture I mean "of culture" not something "about culture". I don't know if I used proper grammar, I just assumed that because I did not specify anything people would assume I meant "of culture" meaning the concept of a culture itself. The west is a culture like China is a culture.

 

history happened, we can accept it or just keep throwing shit over people (like the west). It happened, we can learn from it, take the good shit and try to change in your way. maybe you like this system, maybe not, but it seems that we need each other to create something. we created a lot, it also takes time to take it down. I think we cannot espect that we can change the world that we live like the humans we used to be again, but at least we can try to change something in our environment.

it's always spinning around each other, we had atlantis the maya's pyramids and chinese pyramids and the egyptian and probably all of this cultures had a high society or something. but that turned around to. we are always finding excuses for something, but we don't have to be scared to be ourselves... truly ourselves...

 

Only for the ones who aren't?

 

of course! but only you know the best who is yourself right

 

Yeah, I think he lives next door.

 

you thought of that when you were a kid? Damn I didn't even think of that till a couple years ago. There was an organization that believed that as a fundamental tenet. That is, that the human race is a cancer to the host spirit earth, and we were using the earth's resources to metastasize ourselves, all at the earth's expense and ultimate demise.

I feel that this concept and others are going to be mainstream eventually. Some of us have understood this beforehand, but most won't until the obvious truth is heaved upon them. You can either humble yourself or you can be humbled. If you realize it yourself, you can make changes before it's too late.

I definitely feel big time overhauls coming to our whole way of living. it;s almost like all the signs are interconnected, just like someone said: it's unraveling or something. I think it's kind of exciting. Our civilization has just been asking for it for a while.

 

Or maybe humans are the only technology capable civilisation building sapient beings on Earth for the past 3 billion years and "mother nature" is a superstition.

 

The concept that humanity is a plague is already mainstream. I first heard if when I was 11 or so and I was watching the comedy sci-fi sitcom "red dwarf". It's just that the only people who take it seriously are insecure emos who just want to sound non-conformist to excuse their failure in the rest of society. You secretly care more about money and social acceptance, you just find it comforting to pretend you don't care and that's why you fail. Why else would you claim to be non-conformist whilst at the same time conforming to cliques, trends and fads?

 

i don't think so
of course that people are also out there, but there are also other people who don't act like that...

 

Even if you don't believe in mother nature you can see the negative influence the humans have on this earth. And no, I'm not talking about global warming..

 

agreed. How can people ignore it? I think its more like denial.