Don't any of you find pervision wrong

EXACTLY!!!

I wasn't trying to be uncool, and I wasn't trying to insult you (I know, I failed). I just wanted you to clarify. And you did well. But...

Rapists, pedophiles, and predators, etc are not perverts. They are criminals. The boundaries of which you speak would separate someone who has a fetish for having sex while wearing leather from someone who wants to have sex with the entire cow.

 

No, I don't agree. What two consenting persons do away from the prying eyes of others is their business, not your business, and you have no business putting any type of label on it. I'll put my "man tool" (I hate cutesy names!) anywhere that my partner and I mutually deem appropriate. Who made you the sex police?

And the simple fact that you dwell on the subject and judge those who may disagree displays your own lack of respect for others.

 

Zion In the imortal worlds of my one of my chef instuctors: Stop be'n such a fook'n wank'r.
That's all I have to say.

 

Thanks Dj reegs, that was very insightful.
Your right zoomie I am no police man nor would ever be. And no pther peoples pirvirtion dont affect me in any way. I was just asking a question made my life less complicated in hopes that I could do the same for others. Just makin you think thats all.

 

Absolutley, I just came to that revolation earlier today, I guess I shouldn't be trying to persuade others to think about my own ideals, but then again you just taught me so isn't their some validity to the discussion. Your right Im as selibet as can be and I guess thats what comes forth throguh me. I think ever truth lingers once understood, so I guess thats what Im trying to do here. Speak my point of view. let others know such ideas arent lonely. Especially in the rediculusly sexual world today.

 

Using naked women to sell batteries, see thats the irrationality Im talking about.

 

I'm not really arguing with you on this one...

but I think that company is still in business, good marketing strategy that played to the target audience.

Everyone will disagree or agree with someone on the issue. That doesn't necessarily make their choice the correct one in terms of a "static law" that everyone abides by.

-Litos

 

I find it very perverse to condem other peoples ideas of right and wrong. I think that it is unhealthy not to explore the things that turn you on as long as they are not harmful to you or any one else or living thing. What you consider perversion I may not.

 

Interesting.

And just because this hasn't been posted yet (to my knowledge):

per·verse ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-vûrs, pûrvûrs)
adj.

1. Directed away from what is right or good; perverted.
2. Obstinately persisting in an error or fault; wrongly self-willed or stubborn.
   1. Marked by a disposition to oppose and contradict.
   2. Arising from such a disposition.
3. Cranky; peevish.

-Litos

 

Woww!! good input people.
Im just to rational for alot of perversion, I just can't submit to a tool of procreation in someones mouth. AAAHhhh...Where am I? I just think we become less intelegent or pure by accepting such acts.

 

I have been on both sides of that label - and I cant judge either. I am not sure where pro life figures into it. Maybe I dont understand your question. Are you saying that the purpose of sex is soley for making life ( pro creation) and everything else is perverted? I dont believe that we are meant to live our life with a fraction half of the inhibitions that are thrown our way in a lifetime. What is really considered perverted. Do we over react or are we being de sensitized ..?..... the answer could be that if we learn to see through eyes of love ...common sense and granted through a "sound" mind .. that we can figure it out that way rather than in a judgmental way ....I am still learning .. every day is different as we might have to walk in somebody else's shoes .. to see that

 

Logic doesn't answer all the questions, it has a limited range. But if we ask a question: "Is there something wrong with perversion?" We must answer "yes", according to the definition of the word 'perversion'. We might as well ask: "is there something wrong in doing something wrong?" It's a tautology. But that probably isn't the issue here. The issue is maybe: "Where is the line between perversion and healthy sexuality? What is perversion?" and maybe even: "Is it wrong to have sex just for fun, not to make kids? Is it ok to seek joys and pleasures or is it better to practice ascetism?" The answer is not yes or no. Some moderation is good. But too far to ascetism will mean that you live in a bubble. You will not learn how to live if you're deep-frozen in some bubble. If you want to learn, you have to face things. Turning away is not always the answer, although sometimes. It's not yes or no, joy or no joy. Just be conscious. Don't get lost in the swamps. Keep your eyes open. And love.Don't take me too seriously. I'm just a fool.

 

Is it just me, or does he seem to have put a little too much thought into this scenario? It sounds like he speaks from experience. I wouldn't want to meet him alone in a dark alley, or drunk at a bar... That's what I've found from most people who rail against self-defined "perversions". They generally are the ones most guilty of said perversions. "He doth deny too much..." Like the vigorous homophobe who is scared of his own sexuality, these "righteous" holier-than-thou types are really compensating for something. Just for s*its and giggles, how do you SPECIFICALLY define a perversion? Anything besides missionary style, man on woman, in wedlock? Or is getting a cleveland steamer OK as long as you aren't thinking about it? See, what you and the guy who started this post fail to realize is, YOU MAKE NO SENSE. Your point is indefensible, unless you're totally repressed and enjoy pontificating about how virtuous you are, so that you might somehow, some way, feel superior to someone. As for your clairvoyance: What you are actually experiencing is the eyes of the person you are talking to glazing over as you spew your nonsense. You are able to see where the conversation is going because I am sure everyone you speak about this with, rationally, couldn't be bothered.

 

You know, I would have thought that this forum would have been the last place I would find a couple of bible thumpers preaching about how fucking right they are with their close-minded views about sex and every other thing on the planet! Why don't you guys go find a nice little Christian forum to bash us all on? While you're there, look for a damn spell-check program! When you make so many freaking spelling errors that it's hard to read the post, it's time.


I also welcome the response this post is sure to bring. I, unlike some, am very open-minded.

 

Yeah... Im not totally trying to be close minded here, This is honestly what I believe. I am just too at peace to be overcome by sexual desire. Im just preaching peace thats all. Its jsut somehting to think about. And no dissen but if you were open minded you would have no problem with my beliefs.

 

O.k i apologies, Perversion is not wrong just could be vain.

 

I don't have a problem with your beliefs.....the problem I have is when you, or anyone else for that matter, tells everyone else they are wrong for the things they do or believe in. You are entitled to your opinion. I'm not even saying you are wrong. You don't agree with some things others do sexually, neither do I. Some guys like to get nailed with a strap-on by their wives. Not something that interests me in the least, but if you or anyone else is in to that, that's fine. None of my business. Criminal perversions like molesting children, I have a huge problem with that. When this thread began, if the "perversions" were clearly identified, I wouldn't have had such a problem with the whole thing. Your idea of perverse could be (and probably is) VERY different than mine. I don't know what you believe in and I won't condemn you without hearing your side but not saying anything lets the imagination run wild.....do you get what I mean?

 

zion, how does enjoying sex have anything to do with intelligence? studies show that sex (not fuckloads and dont excuse the pun) is healthy. it feels good. if it doesnt harm anyone then whats wrong with it? a man's tool is not just for pissing and cumming. its very sensitive. its for feeling pleasure too. now in the scheme of things, this is an incentive to cum and make babies but if you go down that track
why wear clothes? those fibres were MEANT for the many plants that we get them from.

why do you eat foods tha taste good? why not just eat the essential vitimins and minerals and oils and proteins and carbs that you need to survive? why give in to the pleasures of taste?

humans are animals that have minds which have passed the level of pleasure for life and realised that they can find pleasure by manipulating their senses, through art, through food, through sex, through humour.

fetish is not bad or unintelligent in any way or form unless it destructive. anal sex is unintelligent with strange gay guy while unprotected. however enjoying a cock up your arse, for those who do, is as valid as liking your wife give you a massage or cook you a nice meal.

dont you see???

 

IM sorry, I enjoy everymoment of lifs way too much to actually need to have sex with someone, Thats were its unhealthy, when you actually become unsatisfied with the moment, and have to turn to sex and pleasure. Like a drug or something. If you truly were enjoying yourself you wounldn't be thinking about something as distant as sex.

 

I guess I just have better things to do than think about my and others peoples privates. I figure if your thinking about privates your being perverted.