Donald Trump

You could say that Trailer parks are the "poor white Ghettos". Sure homicides maybe low but violence, drugs and all the other BS behaviour that depicts 'Ghettos living', is right their but just more or less, laughed at.

The only difference is Cultural and color.

White or Black, poor people stand out and wealthier people don't like them or rather don't like their lifestyle.

You are not being racist but I think sometimes folks forget the poor white demographic; actual to expand, most people forget the white poor when discussing the poor.

 

This is a rationalization that only a white person could make.

 

How so?

So if a poor Black family say that the rich (or conservatives as they like to point out) look down on them and despise their lifestyle and place of residences, then that's ok but if a white person calls out the rich for looking down on the poor regardless of color, then that's not ok?

All the poor are predisposed to scrutiny yet only one demograph has the right to protest that scrutiny. That doesn't seem fair.

You want to see a revolution, unite all the poor; all race and color and creed; march to gates of the White House and demand to be recognized as one united entity.

 

No raw sewerage, we just find highly poisoned water to drink. (Flint)

Cities where the people just left everything because they lost everything. (Detroit)

Camden NJ - no need to say more

And an influx of Shanty towns/tent cities. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/us/26tents.html

So we do have these places in America, just well hidden from the media and the rest of the world.

 

That's fine, but when he says statements like that he alienates his support from white people who've actually experienced real poverty and economic struggle. It's not doing him any favors.

Oh goody, does this mean Donald Trump gets a get out of jail free card too from all his gaffs or something? [/sarcasm]

Your story reminded me of being profiled by adults as a teenager who dressed like a punk skater with baggy clothes. One time I was yelled at by business owners to get the hell off the property or they'd call the police, just for admiring a Zimmer Gold Spirit roadster that a customer parked in their parking lot. No I don't think you're being racist. Nor do I think Sanders is racist either. Trump? Well only if you think Mexican and Islam are races. But realistically, I think he's just a loose cannon who is careless with his word and didn't realize the controversy he'd stir.

However, when the left calls ALL its opponents as racists, they trivialize real serious issues of racism. "Hey Whitey, vote democrat or you're a racist! Hey Blacky, vote democrat or you're an uncle Tom." It's an even worse double standard when certain leftist politicians can be immune from racist words phrases, like Harry Reid when he called our president "Fair skinned with no knee-grow dialect," and somehow manage to hold onto his career into happy retirement.

 

But politicians can and have used or even created division (racial, political, religious, etc) for political gain and if such politicians get into power they can use the mechanisms of government to further their views.

Democratic governments are a reflection of the voters - (those that claim otherwise and say there is no ‘point in voting’ usually have their own agenda they don’t want you to vote because they know someone else will) – the Nazis didn’t create anti-Semitism in German, it was widespread throughout Europe they just heightened it and used it, the woes of the Germany of the time were not the fault of a Jewish conspiracy, but a scapegoat is convenient when you don’t have any real solutions.

The US is beset with problems due to flawed neo-liberal/free market thinking and policies and I don’t think Trump has a clue what to do so it’s not surprising he is looking for scapegoats.

Thing is that the powers of government can be used to facilitate and encourage people to ‘get along’ with each other. People can play their part yes but government has a role as well, it can educate, bring in anti-discrimination legislation, use a number of social policy decisions, from criminal justice to public housing to drugs etc.

And what does Trump want to do – build a fucking wall – as I say he hasn’t a clue what to do.

 

In regard to illegal Mexican immigrants, it’s easier to ‘blame’ them and forcibly deport them (and watch it on TV) if you first think of them as rapists and drug pushers rather than just people like us trying to get by, who wouldn’t even be in the US if American citizens were not employing so many of them that it encourages so many others to migrate illegally.

 

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But white privilege does exist, if in the sense that white people are socially and economically statistically advantaged.

But unsure what that has to do with trump but it would make a good separate thread.

 

I don't think so. In fact, this is a racist comment Which was not ment racist and I don't believe is coming from a racist person AT ALL. But this statement is not right.

Btw, I really dislike how every racism related point on here gets downplayed with arguments like the ones who stating the racism are 'being PC' or do it mainly because they feel 'white guilt'. Really guys, go suck a wiener. People pissing on others for stating a serious issue just because you don't want it to be an issue (that's great, I wish it wasn't an issue either but wishful thinking does not make it suddenly disappear) or has witnessed a person that is actually being PC (it does not mean everybody else is being PC or coming from white guilt at all. Use your brain please) are generally twisting the issue around and relaying the focus.
That there are white ghettos and a lot of poor whites too doesn't change stuff regarding poor blacks and how they are treated and what chances they have in society.
That there are some people in politics are always sounding PC or even strongly displaying what looks like a form of white guilt does not mean you can downplay the whole issue or just assume every whitey arguing for it is suffering of white guilt.

Well, for one he is a product of white privilege ...and he and people like him benefit from it.

But to be fair, I agree with other peeps we don't have to look at everything through a 'is it racist or not' lense and can acknowledge it is the same with white privilege. I understand it gets annoying if it is brought up TOO much, but really if people like 6eyed shaman are kidding about it or downplaying it consistently it will always get that reaction, because indeed, white privilege is still very real. It was even more real and prevalent... but it still is. That there are also a lot of whiteys in trailerparks does not change that one bit.

 

Unions became stronger when they decided to include poor blacks in the deal. Working people of a "certain age' know the strides forward made by unions. Trump was born a millionaire. I'm sure he'll be helpful to the working class. Uh--yeeeah.
The right -wing has just about eliminated them along the way. But they love us as long as the zombie treadmill is fully staffed and we shut the hell up. How dare people have a say in how they are treated in the work place!

 

I imagine that knowing the largest number of poor in the US are white also has no bearing on the "privilege" that's surely flowing all around them. If there's any privilege to be found in people for JUST being white, it would surely be cultural and owe it's origins to the Magna Carta. Otherwise it just sounds like yet another way to shit on for having a color of skin you don't like (we used to call that racism).

Trump's privilege was delivered by a wealthy family that looked out for their own. Like many wealthy families around the world. Could it be that class, not race, is the origins of people's privilege? I know it's not as simple as slapping the label onto a whole race of people, but that's really how it should be measured. Same as we all.

 

Ah, resorting to racially driven generalizations are we??? Thank you for proving my point.


How the hell would you know I'm a product of white privilige? You don't even know me beyond my posting history on this board.

 

I ment Trump with that, not you.

 

How it feels as a Canadian watching US politics right now

 

Didn't Las Vegas casino mongol: Steve Wynn recently say something in public along these lines?

and that they are not welcome in the casino?

 

it has occured to me, there may be more then just ideology behind the blocking of any supreme court nominee proposed by obama.
just as it also occurs to me, that concern to oppose trump on the part of the r.n.c. may be something of a put on.

that they're expecting to make him president by depriving votes, suppressing votes, vote flipping black box voting machines and so on,
with a court that will with one dissenting vote, or none, uphold the result of a thus rigged election.

i HOPE the only country i've ever lived in hasn't fallen this low, but i don't see how anyone can trust what is going on with him.

its been a few years, but i've seen how right wing 'faith based care giving' keeps the poorest of the poor brainwashed into being on the side of those who most hate and could care less in real life about them.
not saying everyone who is poor is that gullable, i'm not, but its all part of the same stratigy, to end america's great experiment in democracy, and replace it with a kind of greed based feudalism.

 

It's as if every election cycle is nothing more than a polite coup. Compromise between parties is thinner than ever. And yes, states are turning into feudal kingdoms. Even cities seem to have dictators.

 

This isnt accurate though. The number may be higher but simply because whites are a majority.

The rate of blacks and hispanics living in poverty is much higher than whites

http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/#4

 

I fail to see how percentages matter when the real numbers are dreadful enough. What about it is not accurate? Yes, as 65% or so of the population you would certainly expect there to be more poor white people. But isn't that the point? If there are more people, there are more people. If you really want to go down the scale on percentages, then which ethnic group or race has the highest percentage of their population on government support programs? Which has the highest bastard birth rate?

How is the fact that physically more of the US poor are white people represent itself as inaccurate? Numbers are numbers. Unless, somehow you don't think they should matter as much. And if that's the tack you take, then why not simply execute all the poor white people so there's enough food and free phones for everyone that's walking across the border.