Donald Trump

Ever notice how the press rarely ask the hard questions of trump?

 

Significantly less in the South. As a child, I didn't know any Catholics personally. The ones I know now are not devout. American Catholic culture is centered in the Northeast.

 

You begin think you've put childish behavior behind you that occured when you got out of school and then you come across grown "men" reinacting their childhood in front of pretty much everyone on the globe. This is what it comes down to, even as wars rage out of control, the so-called legislators are bought and sold like the syncophants they are, the rich get even more rich, while children are hungry RIGHT HERE, the education system is under attack, (an ignorant populace is a compliant populace) unions are down to 13 %.

"Unions have caused American companies to go overseas." Yeah--agreed in some measure, but it's because the " job makers" aren't content to share profits --wages-benefits, with those who do the actual work. They want it all and they've damn near gotten it.

One thing good about these debates is that most of us can see exactly what kind of humanoids these puffed up pricks are and where their priorities lie. And they don't lie with
the shrinking middle/working class, but with the Kochs and their ilk.

The root word of progressive is progress. To move forward. An assumption of bettering the lives of all citizens within the purview of government. The first three letters of conservative sums up the latest incarnation of the right. Successfully being pulled off,I might add.

" I'll go beyond waterboarding." Sounds about RIGHT. "Planned parenthood is all about abortions." Yup. "Obama is taking away our rights." Fuckinay---Obama---the Muslim--
wants to make this a communist country." oooooo---right on!.

The right has come CLEAR out of the closet with their aims, as it were. "We're right, we are god fearing capitalists and if you don't agree--you are most likely a traitor!" Funny, that. Yup. Real funny.

 

I expected there would be more in the south because of the historic spanish influence and all the mexican immigrants.

Zorro was catholic

 

Interesting. I'd assume then that the Catholics in the NE must be descended from Italian and other European immigrants. I wonder though how many of the illegals that Trump wants to deport are Catholic - a fairly large proportion I'd have thought.

Have to confess though I'd forgotten all about Zorro. :sombrero:

 

Consumers played an important role, and still do.

I know of a nonunion company that shifted half its production to China for a while. Under that company's brand name, Chinese and American products sat side by side in stores. The imported items were lower in quality, but also lower in price. Consumers bought tons of the Chinese stuff and left the American products gathering dust. What was corporate management supposed to do with the domestic production, eat it? They eventually shifted the rest of their manufacturing to China because they felt like they had no choice.

Detroit was a special case; a place where unions got completely out of control for a while, and consumers went into open rebellion. I once owned an American car from that era, and it was an overpriced piece of trash.

I'm in favor of import duties, but not to the point where it protects the kind of excesses that went on in Detroit in the 1970's. Modest and reasonable import duties would have saved that other company I was talking about.

Those people didn't stick around.

The vast majority of Catholics in the South now seem to be Hispanic immigrants who have been here two generations or less; from Mexico, Cuba, various Caribbean islands, and Central America. Very few from South America.

Yes, I'd say more Italian and Irish than anything else.

Most of the South was settled by Englishmen. Lesser cultural influence by Scots and Germans faded away several generations ago.

No doubt. But... the prejudice seems to be racial and cultural, not religious. I don't hear the rednecks talking about the religious aspect of it, among themselves.

Illegals are doing jobs that Americans won't do. Otherwise, employers would have no incentive to deal with language barriers. They prefer English-speaking workers, when available. So, I don't know what the hell Trump and his supporters are so worried about.

 

Excuse me, I temporarily forgot that unions are perfect, incapable of being wrong about anything, anytime, anywhere, and that liberals are not allowed to disagree with any union position. The unionized high school graduate members DESERVED higher wages than college graduate engineers at the same company, because the union said so.

Around here, the only unionized employees worked for the phone company and power company, the only two local companies that were universally known for having a "go fuck yourself" attitude toward customers. We just didn't fully comprehend their excellence, or else we would have been honored to be abused by them.

 

Detroit was Waterloo for American unions. Their reputation got a black eye. Their fortunes have been in decline ever since, as right wing politicians like Trump play the negative images and stereotypes up to the max, regardless of the merits of specific situations that have come since.

 

They also know that unions are a major source of funding for the Democratic Party.

 

I kinda get the idea that Catholics might as well be atheists in the eyes of many Protestants.

 

I live in a heavily Catholic area, and the handful Protestants that I've gotten close enough with to discuss such things, consistently refer to Catholics as "fake Christians." And that label isn't too far off, in my personal experience.

 

Many Southern Baptists believe that Catholics aren't real Christians because they don't teach that consuming alcohol, even in small quantities, is a horrible sin, one of the biggest. Most other Protestant denominations ignore the issue, but Catholics use wine in communion; the only ones in the South who do so.

You know, Prohibition was yet another big controversy where the split was mostly North / South.

Catholic obsession with Mary has always seemed strange to me.

 

A union is not some monolithic, unstoppable force that wishes to take the millions and millions that high management "makes." A union consists of people that do the actual work
and merely want to be treated fairly considering the fact that many spend their lives working on some assembly line for years. Unions would never have formed except for the
greed and lack of respect garnered from management over the decades. Hired goons and the police ALWAYS backed the management in any disputes that labor has had. Not much need for them now, as the dismantling of unionism is almost complete, as has been planned and fascilitated by the right leaning talk blabbers (who make millions themselves)
talking up "the unions are crooked." (unions would do well reining in their "management" as well.)

The auto companies definately made shitty cars in the 70s-80s and I can tell anyone who wants to know--that members of the unions had absolutely NO SAY in what the management/engineers came up with. None. I worked in the Ford plant in Milpitas before I decided on a trade and I can tell anyone , it was no picnic.

Speaking of the auto industry, the Kochs are/have formed an organization to begin in the spring, using 10 million dollars to begin with---against electric/hybrid cars.
O f course they will keep their names hidden if they can. It's what the rich do nowadays and with their money and connections, the government and the industrail complex is now owned by the Kochs and their like and naturally, they are anti union because evidently the amount of money that they make is threatened by those pesky workers that want a little say in how the profits are shared and how they are treated. 20 bucks an hour, medical insurance and any other perqs are by god taking money away from management. That's not gonna get it. So, Donald Trump. A bloviating , narcissistic asswipe that got "A LITTLE LOAN OF A MILLION DOLLARS from his dad to start his illustrious, fabulous career. OH yeah--he'll be for the working man. After all--he's WORKED hard all his life. What a fuckin' joke he and the rest of those republican duds are.

The legislature here in Oregon just voted to raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. Our people are paid that much already. And more. Of course I'm joking but---I'd like to see any of those motherfuckers on the roof with this 76 year old man. It's to laugh, imagining ANY of them even climbing up a ladder. So, fuck Trump and the million dollars he rode in on.

 

Glad to see more and more unions fail everyday! My father was a union bitch in the UAW for 35 years, and they always had their hand out 'wanting' more! But, when good ol slick willy came around, he signed NAFTA, which is the WHOLE reason we have overseas companies! 1996, 1500+ workers worked at 'the backhoe capital of the world'.
Billy finishes and pulls out of Monica, signs it, 525 workers left to do the job of 1500+ previous, and this did take place pretty much over night. Nice to see the lib blame train on this, but read a book, NAFTA and libs are to blame! But I'm sure it's dubyas and the GOP's somehow! LMFAO!!

 

No, he didn't.... That would be too much like reading 'n shyt.