Donald Trump

You offered the example of someone burning a flag in protest. If some flag-lover takes offence and knocks the flag-burner on his ass, why is the flag-burner not considered to have incited violence?

 

Donald Trump only has his own interests at heart...period....To think otherwise is very foolish.

oops meant to go on the new DT nut house thread after the bird brain comment...oh, well...

 

Because we are in the "Age of Butt-Hurt" and if someone is protesting something it MUST be a just cause. So interrupting it would be *-ism and getting physical, well, in truth that's criminal no matter how you look at it. It's not legal to hit anyone. Since a burning flag creates little floating bits of glowing potential forest fires and death, it could be that someone who lit the thing wants to "identify" as a free floating spirit that lights the world.

Or they just hate America/Republicans/Trump/Whites/NASCAR/NRA/BLT/LSD/POT and want the US to come to an end so we can go back to fighting over plots of land.

 

I, for one, have never burned a flag and will not burn one....like i really have one to burn anyway...I don't....I don't like clothes even with labels and advertisements written across the front, either, like a walking billboard.....

but I sure as hell felt like burning one yesterday, as i refuse to be dictated to by Trump.

but that feeling was only tempoorary.....and I did not act out on it.

 

Back in my days of Cub Scouts, they would burn US flags over the camp fire to retire them.

 

Yeah, whether or not you would go to jail and be fined $100,000 for burning a flag under Clinton's proposal depended on whether or not someone else got violent with you. Dumb.

 

But I don't believe that violence against anyone is justified.

And the question still remains: Give me an example of a manner in which one would burn a flag that would be considered as inciting violence.

 

http://truthuncensored.net/obama-going-castros-funeral-trump-told/

 

Lol that article was ridiculous

 

Also malware.

 

If Obama went to Castro's funeral, he could have caused the democrats to lose Florida forever. Cuban Americans don't take too kindly to Castro. Collin Kapernick picked the wrong week to sport a Castro shirt before his game against the Dolphins.

 

You're not thinking. In the scenario you've provided, the violence was not incited by the burning of the flag.

 

The phrase "incitement to violence" has been well-litigated. Under the test in Brandenbug v. Ohio, the violence must be "intended, likely, and imminent".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio http://freespeechdebate.com/en/case/the-brandenburg-test-for-incitement-to-violence/ http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ft ordinancerials/conlaw/incitement.htm Possibly if it could be shown that a person burned the flag with the intent to get others to beat the crap out of him, it could be considered incitement, but not likely. Terminiello v. Chicago is also relevant here. The Sureme Court held that an ordinance that banned speech which "stirs the public to anger, invites dispute, brings about a condition of unrest, or creates a disturbance" was unconstitutional under the First Amendment. Justice Douglas, writing for the Court, said:" a function of free speech under our system of government is to invite dispute. It may indeed best serve its high purpose when it induces a condition of unrest, creates dissatisfaction with conditions as they are, or even stirs people to anger. Speech is often provocative and challenging. It may strike at prejudices and preconceptions and have profound unsettling effects as it presses for acceptance of an idea." So I'd say burning a flag would be incitement only if it was intended to be part of a call to take violent action under circumstances where it would be likely that a mob would respond. E.g., "Rise up against this oppressive government, the police who enforce its laws, etc." As for Hillary versus the Donald, a relevant distinction, besides the fact that Hillary's bill required incitement to violence which is really hard to prove,and that Trump included the unconstitutional penalty of loss of citizenship, is that Trump made his comments as President elect of the United States

 

You've created a custom-made situation that has nothing to do with burning the flag as a form of protest. What you've described is an incident in which I've stolen and destroyed your property.

Now, if you stand in front of me and the mob, and you burn a flag in your possession as a form of protest, knowing that it will provoke myself or the mob, are you guilty of inciting violence?

 

If you stand in front of me and the mob, and you burn a flag in your possession as a form of protest, knowing that it will provoke myself or the mob, are you guilty of inciting violence?

 

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