Donald Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newo, Aug 21, 2015.

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  1. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    I agree. I've already accepted that this country is fucked beyond repair and there's no turning back. I am just eagerly waiting for the epic triggering that will take place across america if Trump wins. If these whiny loser SJWs needed to seek counseling and therapy sessions after someone chalked "Trump 2016" on their college campus, just think how they'd handle a Trump victory! [​IMG]
     
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  2. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    If history keeps repeating (or at least rhyming), I expect them to start making bombs.
     
  3. The Walking Dickhead

    The Walking Dickhead orbiter of helion

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    What if they both died in the same day? Of a sudden heart attack. Wouldn't that be a little suspicious?

    Everything would still be fucked, but at least those two cunts would be dead.

    #DeathTo
     
  4. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    remember how that episode ended, you better go buy a beekeeper suit. ;)
     
  5. The Walking Dickhead

    The Walking Dickhead orbiter of helion

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    Sure. The bees are coming from me, or should I say Rick Grimes hahahahaha

    The bastards from the north are coming, get stocked up on dried beans is my motto
     
  6. Mountain Valley Wolf

    Mountain Valley Wolf Senior Member

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    This reminds me of my stepdaughter's boyfriend who mirrored a common viewpoint since the Great Recession---that our economy is going to collapse and there is no way around it. His response, like so many others, "I wish it would just happen already.”

    What drives the economy more than anything else, more than credit, more than bail outs, more than low interest rates, more than inflation, the stock market, wages, economic shocks-----the number one thing that drives the economy is psychology. In 2009 the economy was actually very strong---all things considered. The market was climbing rapidly, there had been plenty of stimulus, interest rates were low---it could have been the start of something good----except for one thing-------everyone was positive the economy was going to collapse.

    I talked to companies and CEO's in 2009 who had more orders than they could fill----but they wouldn't even try to fill them because they ‘knew’ (in their opinion) the economy was going to collapse and that prices were going to drop, so they were laying people off. And within months when I'd talk to them again, order after order would be cancelled because their customers would feel the same way. Their client companies, for example, would cancel because they thought things were getting worse. Consumers would cancel because they thought they needed to save their money, or because they got layed off. This was happening all over America.

    I didn't experience this as directly in Japan in 1990, because the first two years the government kept the Japanese convinced that the economy was strong (and the economy actually remained fairly robust despite deteriorating economics). But once things got bad----the psychology took a drastic turn and I don't think the Japanese have ever really recovered psychologically (nor has their economy). But this time in the US----it was so obvious. I had an investor who from 2009 until early 2010 continuously shorted the market, betting that it would collapse. I had many long talks with him, and yet he always insisted that the economy was going to collapse and we were heading right into another bear market. He lost several million dollars, and when he got margin calls, instead of getting out, he would bring in more cash to support his position. Many times, he would tell me, 'Yes, I know, you've been right so far, but…' and then go into a long speech about housing or the banks, or government debt, and I could not convince him any different. The market continued to rise, and he finally gave up in march or april 2010 and went into Gold.

    Despite everything else----this pessimistic attitude is what is keeping the economy from turning as robust as it could-----and it is the hardest thing to fix. It was the same thing back in the early 90's when the corporate buzz word was, ‘downsizing’----- referring to streamlining companies---more automation, less employees. I watched the economy from the Philippines and was happy at how it was recovering. But that's not how American's felt. Everyone was very down on the economy despite how well it was recovering. In the end, the psychology slowed the recovery, making it take longer than it could have to recover (which actually isn't a bad thing-----that slow recovery ended in almost a decade of strong growth). Everyone was so sure that the government statistics were wrong and manipulated.

    Another example is that it took World War II to get us out of the Great Depression. People stopped fretting over the economy and being so pessimistic because now they had something much bigger to worry about----and suddenly America became the strongest economy in the world creating an amazing war machine. (I hope this time we don’t turn to world war to achieve the same thing…)

    Velocity is an economic indicator that measures the speed that money is changing hands. It is one good measure that helps indicate the psychology of the economy. This was one indicator following the credit crisis, that no matter what we did, we couldn’t get it to bounce up. Money has to flow through the economy for things to go great.

    If Trump wanted to make America great again, all it would really take is getting people to believe in the economy again, and be optimistic for growth----exactly opposite of what he preaches.

    One might say that I am saying the same thing about our current situation when I say that we are living in the Age of Nihilism. But there are some key differences: 1.) I am describing the current philosophy or zeitgeist. 2.) I also state that the current nihilism does not allow us to see how great things actually are---including, the economy, low crime, people, and life. 3.) I see it as a stage of transition forcing us to deconstruct traditional values, enabling us to potentially move to the next stage of human development. 4.) I provide potential solutions.

    This whole attitude that things are collapsing anyway, or the wish that the economy would just hurry and collapse is a part of this modern day nihilism. It calls into question the value of our economy and the truth about it that is publicly disclosed. The desire for its demise reflects the perceived meaninglessness of our existence, in that the economy is a collective projection of our own existence. Even if we don’t see our own lives as meaningless or valueless, we can still project that nihilism into the world around us.

    Consider for a moment, the economic collapse we are talking about---where the dollar becomes meaningless, and we have to, it is assumed, start all over. First of all, people would not survive as they did in the Great Depression. We don’t live the same way we did then---for the first time in human history, we don’t have the individual self-sustainability that we once did. Most people cannot fix most everything in their house by themselves. Most people do not have the gardens and maybe a chicken coop to help them eat and feed their families. Things are no longer produced and distributed locally, particularly such things as the medicines that many people have come to rely on just to live (inhalers, certain life sustaining drugs, and so forth). Many things that we take for granted today, whether repairs, or maintaining the comforts of modern life, or whatever, require experts, not jacks of all trades. Thanks to technology, the modern world is not very self-sustaining when everything starts to structurally break down. And as for gold---you can’t eat it, it isn’t a healing medicine, it won’t burn-----its value too is just as abstract as that of money.

    I think you get the picture…
     
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  7. Aerianne

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  9. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    I voted early for Trump.
     
  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Is there some kind of point to this post?
     
  11. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Mac



    You also don’t believe in evolution so I’m not surprised, I mean if you can look at the evidence and still come down on the side of rejecting evolution then your reasoning is likely to be similar in other situations.
     
  12. Balbus

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    To me this is the great problem and tragedy within America today – things could be changed for the better but many Americans don’t want better they want worse – it’s a completely irrational approach to viewing the world.
     
  13. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    So I guess insulting people is the staple for you if you find someone who doesn't agree with you.
     
  14. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Mac

    Sorry did I get it wrong are you now saying you do see the validity of evolution?
     
  15. soulcompromise

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    Donald is racist! We can tell!
     
  16. Aerianne

    Aerianne Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    The FBI has proven that Trump and Putin aren't trying to throw this election.


    FBI Finds No Links Between Donald Trump and Russia

    Upon the conclusion of the investigation, the FBI decided that, contrary to claims by Democrats, the hacking may have been aimed at disrupting the election but was not intended to ensure the election of Donald Trump.
    The allegations of Trump’s computer ties to the Russian bank were made in an articleposted to the liberal Slate.com website.
    But news that the FBI is now discounting any such ties coming on the heels of FBI Director Comey’s decision to open another investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email scandal represents a double blow to the Democrats. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/31/fbi-finds-no-links-donald-trump-russia/
     
  17. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The question is why was the investigation into Clinton so highly publicized by the FBI, yet it kept silent on its investigation into the Russian hacks and Donald Trump?

    We have a highly publicized investigation (public knowledge for over a year) that concluded that Hillary committed no crime, yet the FBI director felt he had to give an extensive interview about it to justify their conclusion... a practice not done by the FBI in the past. And we have an FBI director who felt the need to interject his opinion into the verdict against FBI policy (she was careless) .

    Then 11 days before an election we have the FBI director citing a completely different investigation into Anthony Weiner's sexting, (again made public against FBI policy), and the director suggesting a possible link between that investigation and the one that had already been concluded about Clinton, even though he nor anyone else had even looked at the emails and couldn't possibly know anything about them, if they were related to Clinton, or what they were.

    And now 7 days before the election the FBI releases the results, without making a public hearing spectacle, of an investigation of Donald Trump/Vladimir Putin that was completely hidden from the public eye, clearing him, same as Clinton....conveniently just before the election.
    Why weren't we told of the FBI's investigation into Trump, but we are told minute by minute about Clinton (in violation of FBI policy)?

    And Comey's excuse? He felt an "obligation" to send a public letter to Congress!
    Why didn't he feel an obligation to send a public letter to Congress about the Trump/Putin investigation?

    ...because he is scared of the Republican backlash. He is bending over backwards to accommodate the Republicans.

    I am beginning to agree........the election is being rigged...against Clinton.
     
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  18. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    No. Look. The fact that I don't believe in macro evolution doesn't apply to any other discussion except that topic. What you're doing is a classic example of ad Hominem. "Look! Some gun but on the Internet doesn't believe in evolution! Therefore I can ignore any argument he makes on any other topic." Stay on topic. If we're talking about evolution then we are talking about evolution. If we're talking about Trump then we're talking about Trump. I don't have you acknowledge you. There's a little wonderful button called "ignore."
     
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  19. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    Now there's a funny post. I thought it was unamerican to question the polls and the election.
     
  20. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    I voted early for Hillary and cancelled you out.
     
  21. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    Wait, didn't you said that to another poster? If so then no. In fact I canceled your vote out. You can only cancel one vote. Unless you committed voter fraud or its some liberal math I need to brush up on.
     
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