Donald Trump

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Well, that's all conjecture on your part. I realize you don't trust your own government.

    I assume you mean the Pence video?
    I don't think it completely proves anything. Looking back at your request, I see that you only want conclusive proof. Otherwise I suppose I'm supposed to shut up or something? I don't really know.

    So anyway the Pence video is what it is.

    He was asked:
    "You're getting intelligence briefings, do you believe the American intelligence that says that Russia was behind all of these hacks into a former White House Chief of Staff and John Podesta's the DNC etc. Do you belief the American intelligence on this?"
    He answered:
    "Well I think there's more and more evidence that implicates Russia...."

    So what I get is that Trump's running mate, who is getting intelligence briefings there's more and more evidence that implicates Russia.
    I thought you might find that interesting. Am I wrong? Don't you believe Pence?
     
  2. Aerianne

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    Quite frankly, lots of times you come across like you're about to throw a clot over something posted.

    So yes, in my opinion, you need to calm down some.

    It's just an internet forum, dude.
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    What was that video?. It was some pieced together thing...or am I looking at the wrong video again?

    Yes. I see a difference. They contain some different words and some similar words in different order.

    I have an idea...why don't you post the transcript of the entire interview so we see what the question was she was addressing and her exact response?
     
  4. MeAgain

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    Thank you for your concern.
     
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  5. storch

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    No, it is not all conjecture on my part. We have seen no proof; only statements concerning more evidence.

    I don't believe anyone simply because they say that there is more and more evidence. It's as I said. If they had proof, they would be holding it up like they did Oswald's rifle. But they can't.
     
  6. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    I agree----what is going on with Russia is so obvious


    Trump brags that Putin spoke highly of him with a compliment. What he doesn't realize is that the compliment is not a word you would use to compliment a world leader or someone who demands respect. It is more like how you would compliment a child.

    The Russians hack into the Democrats servers. And then wikileaks shares e-mails that are clearly fabricated by the Russians----one of them for example, claiming to be referring to the comments of a supposed rich donor to Clinton claiming that Clinton could have prevented the Bengazi incident----the only problem being that the words were lifted directly from a Newsweek article and taken completely out of context (the article was about how taxpayers are paying for this witch hunt against Hillary Clinton, trying to pin the blame on Hillary). I guess they assumed that the author of the article wouldn't bother looking to see what Wikileaks was putting out... (I'd have to check if it was Newsweek---but it was a national news magazine).

    Then all this talk about if Hillary wins World War III is inevitable, and only Trump can prevent that, is coming from a politician who is referred to as the Russian Trump. He is racist and xenophobic and makes brash comments to rile up his base of support-----blue collar workers just like in the case of Trump.

    We know Trump is close to Putin despite his denials of that------didn't anyone notice that even as Trump was trying to play down his connections with Putin, one of his daughters was photographed vacationing with the daughter of Putin? (Maybe it was just photos that the media pulled out at that time----but I am fairly certain that they were dated at that same time----because it was just another example of the arrogant hypocrisy of saying whatever we want and still doing whatever we want...)

    Obviously Russia feels that Trump would be easy to manipulate. Why else would they be willing to help him get into office. Why else would they be willing to sabotage the Clinton campaign? Off hand, I can't recall any Nation ever trying to openly manipulate a US election like this before. The rise of Trump has told the Russians that America has become really stupid----at least as much as the man they are trying to help get elected. So of course they are going to use the same kind of gloom and doom election rhetoric to us, that Trump does, in order to help shape our election in his favor.
     
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  7. storch

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    What video? I did not post a video.

    You missed the point entirely. There was no reason for Clinton to say anything about an Iranian nuclear strike on Israel. They have no nuclear weapons program. Her comment was baseless and designed to stir up fear and hatred. She's a warmonger.
     
  8. Meliai

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    The wikileaks email you mention has not been proven fake

    http://www.snopes.com/newsweek-proves-that-wikileaks-is-leaking-phony-hillary-clinton-emails/

     
  9. lol Dystopia is funny.
     
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  10. storch

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    You say that as if it's the same as not trusting my own mother.

    Is it okay if I distrust other governments?
     
  11. MeAgain

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    Oops, I need to apologize again I still have the video screwed up. It was Aerianne's video. I'm trying to answer too many posts at once.

    Her comment was made in 2008 from Harrisburg, PA, where I live, in response to, I believe, a live interview with Keith Olbermann.
    He asked her about her response to a hypothetical question about the U.S. response to an attack on Israel by Iran.
    She replied that the question was in regards to a potential nuclear attack by Iran. She then went on to explain that Iran was seeking to obtain nuclear weapons and then proceeded to explain our policy of deterrence that was used successfully in the Cold War to prevent nuclear war.

    She was talking about deterrence, not starting a war with Iran. That seems to be Donald Trump's idea. Trump threatens Act of War as a Response to Rude Hand gestures.

    Here is the transcript of The Olbermann interview.
     
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    I suppose it's possible that she missed the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (16 American spy agencies) which concluded--with high confidence--that Iran's intentions to transform raw nuclear material into nuclear weapon has been shut down since 2003. But I'm more inclined to believe that she is simply a warmonger
     
  13. Okiefreak

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    Trump is a prototypical demagogue: the country is going to hell, if not there already; the source of our problems is the "other" Mexicans, Muslims and the Media; the system is rigged and out to get us; but I can "make America great again"; how? Don't worry about the details. Just trust me. Hitler or Mussolini couldn't have said it better.
     
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  14. Okiefreak

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    Do you actually believe this or are you just having fun? Trump is "just an American" grifter billionaire. He's a budding American Hitler or Mussolini, and he's in it for himself. Nothing in his record shows the slightest interest in any higher cause than Trump, and he spent his adult life hobnobbing with the rich and famous, including the Clinton's, until his recent bid for the presidency. Intelligent people--Republican and Democrat--are afraid of him for a good reason. He's a danger to America, and will tear it down instead of making it "great again".
     
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  15. Aerianne

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    What "in Hillary's record shows the slightest interest in any higher cause than Clinton"?
     
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    still waiting for obozo progress hope and change..
     
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  17. hotwater

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    Melania Trump made her case yesterday for her husband and i'd swear she was wearing the same dress that Sharon Stone wore in the movie Basic Instinct.
    The problem is Anderson Cooper is openly gay so he probably wouldn't have been very impressed even if she opened up to him.




    Hotwater
     
  18. Okiefreak

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    Most of our politicians are primarily self-interested, but some much more so than others. The two who are running are extreme, but I think Trump is in a class by himself: no class. Hillary at least started her career with the Children's Defense Fund, and has done creditable work advancing women's rights and health care, not to mention negotiating a cease fire between Israel and Hamas. What in Trump's record shows the slightest interests in any higher cause than Trump? He began his career in politics with the vicious and ridiculous attack on Obama's citizenship, and has gone on to empower white nationalism for his own political ends. His failed business ventures got him nearly a billion dollars worth of tax write-offs, but left his creditors and employees holding the bag. Trump's scorched earth policy, including his charges that the system is rigged against him, is extremely dangerous--quite reminiscent of the Führer. When he loses, I expect him to go on, in collaboration with his Breitbart cronies and the disgraced fellow sexual predator Roger Ailes, to build an American-style fascist movement based on a "stab in the back" explanation of the allegedly rigged election. It worked for Hitler!
     
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  19. DarkSideOfTheMoon94

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHznNjpMTXo

    Applies to Clinton as well though lol
     
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  20. Aerianne

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    Thirty years and that's all you can come up with.

    Sounds about right.
     
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