Donald Trump

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  1. The Walking Dickhead

    The Walking Dickhead orbiter of helion

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  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Political parties have always influenced the press.

    I agree about some parts of the media being controlled by small factions.

    Legal donations are legal.

    The DNC the RNC and every other political organization always try to influence the public, that's how they get votes. They give speeches, have interviews, press releases, debates, etc. etc. the press is free to join one side or the other or remain neutral...that's why it's called the free press. They are free to report in any manner they wish as long as they don't commit slander or libel.

    I don't see much of the media attacking Trump, I see them reporting what he said and what others are saying about him. Same with Clinton. Trump however is attacking the press. Watch his latest rally in Florida.

    When the coverage was to Trump's advantage he never complained about the disproportionate air time he was getting, but now that he's in trouble it's all the medias fault!
     
  3. The Walking Dickhead

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    On the radio just now, interviewing voters.

    Reason for voting Donald Trump -

    "he puts his pants on the same way I do, one leg at a time"

    [​IMG] pmsl
     
  4. Wu Li Heron

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    I couldn't care less about illegal hacking, riots, snipers, bombers, or the US government which all deserve each other as far as I'm concerned. You can't free 300 million people who are all living in denial and can't even distinguish a democracy from a lynch mob. Nor can you win more than a few concessions from the wealthiest country in the world with a military equal to the next six or seven largest combined. I've seen all good people turn their heads each day, so satisfied I'm on my way.

    The anarchists who started the Occupy Wall Street movement felt pretty much the same way. I probably know a few even because I'm a Rainbow Warrior and an anarchist. They showed people that government is actually about cooperation which requires learning how to listen, got the foam at the mouth zombies to actually talk to one another, then they split wanting no part of all the crap hitting the fan.
     
  5. Wu Li Heron

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    That's what happened in Germany. They were the most integrated and advanced country in the world, but the minute the economy went seriously south Hitler rose to power and they started lining them up against the wall and shoving them into ovens! Trump has not taken over the republican party against their political leaders because he has any new ideas, he's merely a sign of the times that the US is falling apart politically. The Tea Party is the tail wagging the dog and if those idiots had actually defaulted on the budget Obama would have had no choice but to declare martial law. You can't run a country without money to pay the military and everyone else.
     
  6. Moonglow181

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    True ...but then there are scare tactics anyway.....and making people feel afraid and banking on those fears......I mean ever since yesterday......a headline on the net is something like..."Russian close to Putin says vote for trump or risk startinga nuclear war"...or someting to that effect....so now another country is dictating who we should vote for?
    I don't know how seriously to take a threat like that or not.....:(
     
  7. Wu Li Heron

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    Putin is just another pissed off dictator who's shooting his mouth off and would never be satisfied even if Trump were elected. He knows damned well the minute he tries to start WWIII even China will stomp all over his ass. Mouthing off is the only real power he has anymore outside of Russia. That, and bombing Syria which could become very expensive for him if he keeps it up.
     
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    You know, i always thought the line was, "...turn their head to stay so satisfied, i'm on my way"
     
  9. r0llinstoned

    r0llinstoned Gute Nacht, süßer Prinz

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    Make America Great Again
     
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  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I have no idea what you're trying to communicate here.
     
  11. Is it personal if I attack everyone equally? Serious question regarding rules. 'Cause I didn't mean to attack any particular person here. I just meant that in general the people who are backing the machine are "fucked in the head" or have their priorities messed up. Apollywollogies
     
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  12. Wu Li Heron

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    When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.
     
  13. Wu Li Heron

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    I believe its a reference to chicken flock pecking order hierarchies and the principle of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil ruling society. When all the supposedly "good" people in a society turn their heads each day and ignore things like homelessness, sexual abuse, etc. its time to find someone else to hang out with. Americans like to complain about anything and everything and I've even heard many of them in recent years talking about storming the palace with knives and pitchforks or, as in Trump's case, overlooking his obvious character flaws and self-contradictory statements in favor of attempting to overthrow the establishment. Its Three Stooges slapstick where everyone argues over which is the lesser of many evils when all Americans have to do is stop voting for either party and the politicians will come begging on hands and knees. In fact, if just ten percent of the country didn't show up for work tomorrow they could get the same result, but they're like an addict who has to stick that needle in their arm even though it no longer gets them high. The idea of actually participating in even a peaceful march down the block is anathema to them because chickens always fight over everything and act indignant.

    When all the chickens start deliberately ignoring you its time to run the other way because you don't fit in their club and can expect them to start attacking or blaming the victim.

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  14. Okiefreak

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    "Democracy" is a relative concept. We have a liberal, representative democracy of sorts in a federal system. What major powers do you think are superior?The United States was never intended to be a democracy at all, but our ."Democracy" is a relative concept. We have a liberal, representative democracy of sorts in a federal system. What major powers do you think are superior?The United States was never intended to be a democracy at all, but our elitist Founding Fathers at least wanted to give the majority a significant voice, and we are far more democratic than we used to be. Women and non-property holders can vote , hold office, and even run for President. That we have an African American in the White House and a woman running for the office would have amazed and possibly horrified the Founders. We can now vote directly for our senators--possibly no big deal when measured against the problems you describe, but not by any means chopped liver. Our large prison population has less to do with elite preference than with demagogues exploiting popular fears of racial minorities, drugs and victimless crimes. I think if we had purer democracy, we'd have far more of the other things you're complaining about.Civil liberties during the French and other revolutions were never much respected. Use of warrantless searches and wiretaps is severely restricted by our Constitution, but the Constitution is only as good as the judges who enforce it. It's a human system with human flaws. During riots and insurrections. , the United States, like most countries, has emergency powers. As long as we have leaders with power, some of them will abuse it. I think this is more likely to happen when dictator-loving demagogues like Trump are in power. Relative to, say, Russia, our semblance of democracy is still hanging on, but I think Putin-admiring Trump, with his anti-immigrant message and white nationalist following could give it the death blow. Lets hear your plan for getting rid of all the evils you're complaining about. Not voting, or participating in street demonstrations, is unlikely to cut it.
     
  15. Okiefreak

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    Ah, but sudden spontaneous non-participation won't happen. What will happen, and always happens, is that a minority will take over in that vacuum, and we'll have the same or worse. There are no sudden, easy cures for the country's ills, because our political system is embedded in a political culture and economic system that is geared to supporting it. I doubt that we'll be able to do away with federalism, capitalism, and the two-party system overnight, but there are steps that could be taken for positive change: (1) abolish the electoral college, whose sole purpose is to discourage third parties; (2) reverse Citizens United that allows unlimited campaign spending on elections by the fat cats; (3) reinstatement of provisions in the Voting Rights Act of 1965 restricting states from engaging in voter suppression measures; and (4) institution of a national primary to replace the hodge podge of state primaries and caucuses favoring rural states like Iowa and New Hampshire.

     
  16. Wu Li Heron

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    It will never happen because its anathema in American society, nor did I say anything about it being spontaneous. The Tea Party alone is 20% of the population and they came damned close to forcing Obama to declare martial law and disband them when they refused to pass a budget. All they've ever had to do is go on strike for a single day, but striking right wingers is an oxymoron. Some of the right wing independents did show up at the Occupy Wall Street, but even marching down the street in peaceful protest is anathema to right wingers who feel compelled to attack everything just like chicken pecking away. Its either fight, run, or submit for them.

    Habits are the end of honesty and compassion, the beginning of total confusion! Belief is colorful hope or fear, the beginning of folly. Lao Tzu
     
  17. Wu Li Heron

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    When the majority of people can't even distinguish between a democracy and lynch mob and don't even accept the common dictionary or even know that it merely contains popular definitions "democracy" is merely a meaningless word they spout. You can't have government of the people, by the people, and for the people when they disagree about what the damned word means!
     
  18. Okiefreak

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    The Koch Brothers-inspired Tea Party doesn't strike me as a positive development. They're the chief enforcers of a right-wing ideology that perpetuates the system you're talking about or makes it worse. I think you've put your finger though on the crux of the matter: the voters. Most people can't sustain an interest in politics, and when it becomes ugly as it is now, they turn away even more in disgust. Most Americans know very little about our political system, when they do happen to tune in during or after the primaries it's too late to avoid the "lesser of evils" choices. The Occupy movement is a good example. What ever happened to that, and where is it when you really need it? In my town, they camped out on the courthouse lawn for a week or so, and the sheriff's office supplied them with coffee and doughnuts
     
  19. Moonglow181

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    I will fight on election day when I vote for Hillary....Voting for a third party or Bernie will only give trump my vote in reality...sad to say, but that is what realistically it would do....
    No dictator will make me run, back down or become less than what I stand for.
    I may just be quieter from now on...It is no use to debate with people who have already made up their minds and get nasty in any reasonable conversation....I have said everything I need to say here, I think, at this time.
     
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  20. Wu Li Heron

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    The other half of the republican party is no better and would certainly never recommend striking. Marching on DC and ranting and raving, sure, but that's about as "liberal" as they will ever become. Displaying the slightest sign of weakness or how people can organize themselves to fight anything is simply anathema to them. Hence, the reason a billionaire professional wrestling fan and reality TV star is their candidate for president instead of someone like George Washington who was middle class farmer who read his Bible every day.
     
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