Donald Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newo, Aug 21, 2015.

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  1. Moonglow181

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    ok...my simple brain cannot understand vague talk. I am sorry for taking that personally even though it is still a riddle to me what you said.....
     
  2. Wu Li Heron

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    The wealth concentration has never been higher, while the government has gerrymandered the entire voting system to death and suspended our constitutional rights indefinitely. Wikileaks and hackers like anonymous are merely the natural response to the situation. To complain about people fighting back anyway they can against gross injustice is about as useless as tits on a boar hog.
     
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  3. MeAgain

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    You do not fight injustice with more injustice. You fight injustice with honesty, truth, and high moral and ethical standards.

    Wiki Leaks has lost its ethical and moral standing by taking sides in certain issues. Whether the information they release is valid or not, they are deciding to push their own agenda. That is not an unbiased stance.

    Whistle blowers are needed but they too must be held to a moral and ethical standard, just as the issue they are addressing.
    In addition the release of private or governmental data for the sole purpose of embarrassing, discrediting, or influencing certain individuals, policies, elections, or organizations is not whistle-blowing. Nor is the wholesale dumping of data whistle-blowing.
     
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  4. MeAgain

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    Other police, the courts, lawyers, private individuals, the free press, etc.
     
  5. Meliai

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    I dont think anyone is above scrutiny
     
  6. Meliai

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    Free press lol. Thats cute.
     
  7. Wu Li Heron

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    Tell that to the guy holding a gun to you and demanding your wallet. When push comes to shove, what comes around goes around, and around, and around.
     
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  8. MeAgain

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    You don't believe in the press?

    Jefferson himself was ruthlessly savaged by the press yet he upheld their right to do so.

    Negative campaigning goes all the way back to 1880 when Jefferson and Adams vied for the Presidency. The press was intimately involved and often one sided, this is nothing new, yet we have consistently protected the right of the press, or media, to exist.

    All over the world, the media is known as the 4th Pillar of any Democratic or Republican government.
    I just watched a Trump speech on TV and was greatly saddened by reports that the media in attendance were surrounded by Trump supporters who swore at them, called them liars, and "gave them the finger" after he called the media bias. I would expect him to try some sort of reigning in of the media if elected.

    Would you support that?
     
  9. MeAgain

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    What are you saying?

    I thought we were talking about political improprieties or illegalities. You are talking about armed robbery.
    That's a non sequitur and has no meaning in this discussion.
     
  10. MeAgain

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    Sure it did. You are rather vague on exactly what you are talking about, but I assume it's Hillary's emails. An accusation was made it was investigated by the FBI and the media for years...and nothing was found.

    It worked very well. If there was anything there some journalist would have made their name and fame on it...ever hear of Woodward and Berstein?
     
  11. Wu Li Heron

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    Iceland just prosecuted and sentenced to prison all the top ranking banking officials there involved in the collapse of the economy ten years ago, while the US and EU protested their decision. When there is no justice in or out of court what comes around goes around and around. All the rhetoric about law and order and justice fall on deaf ears in black ghettos where they've never gotten much in the way of justice. It falls on deaf ears now for millions of Americans the banks robbed of their homes and life savings. When the billionaire mayor of NYC arrested 26 reporters in one day and only got a slap on the wrist democracy officially died in America and its every man for himself. The government would not hesitate for a second to throw you in jail at the point of a gun for not paying your taxes, yet Trump has not paid them in twenty years. That IS armed robbery, but you have a slave mentality and simply don't recognize it for what it is.
     
  12. Okiefreak

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    I don't see them as "people fighting back" against oppression. I see it as rogue elites with an agenda intervening to throw a monkey wrench into the democratic process to promote its own interests, which seem to coincide with Russia's. You may be right that resistance is futile, but I'd like to give it a try.
     
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  13. MeAgain

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    First of all thank you for noting that I have a slave mentality. Very astute of you, I applaud your unbiased view of my mental state. You should go into psychiatrics.

    Second, as I said before injustice is not conquered by more injustice, doesn't work that way.

    Third, every man for himself is anarchy, I don't think we are quite at that stage yet.

    Fourth, we weren't talking about taxes, you jump around a lot. But taxes are how the government finances itself. They don't come after you with a gun if you don't pay, they have non armed means to address non payment. Now if a tax collector comes to your door and you greet him with a gun, they will come after you in a similar manner.

    Fifth, as far as we know Trump has not done anything illegal in regards to taxes, he is under review. If you don't like the exclusions he uses to avoid paying taxes I would suggest you vote for someone who will address the issue..I don't think that would be Trump.
     
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  14. Wu Li Heron

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    You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, or a psychiatrist to know when someone is living in denial.

    I never said a damned thing about injustice leading to justice, merely that complaining about what comes around going around is about as useful as tits on a boar hog.

    As for Trump, when do think any law becomes unjust? When they come to hang you from a lamp post?

    If you can't even listen to what I'm saying then I have to ask, why do you keep responding?
     
  15. Wu Li Heron

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    The US has gerrymandered the vote to death, suspended our constitutional rights indefinitely, arrested 26 reporters in one day, created the largest prison population in history, begun reading everyone's emails, using warrantless searches and wiretaps everywhere, and given the military the legal right to round citizens up like cattle. Please tell me why you still believe the US is a democracy? Because reality TV tells you so?
     
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  16. It makes no sense to argue with you people anymore. You support the very people who have stolen your right to have a voice in your government.

    What if I had the power here to silence your voice? What would you think of me? Yet you sit around kissing Hillary Clinton's ass. There's no use arguing with you - you're fucked in the head.

    Gonna commit myself to less serious, more sensible threads now.
     
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  17. storch

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    ROFLMAO!

    Thanks!
     
  18. Meliai

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    Whoa you really misunderstood me.

    I think freedom of press is one of the most, if not the most important pillars of a free society

    And I think mass media controlled by a tiny number of corporations and heavily influenced by major political parties, who of course recieve campaign donations from the same corporations who own the media, is absolutely not a free press.

    Now in terms of Donald Trump, I have no idea what i've said to make you think I would support anything he does

    BUT i was intrigued by the wikileaks email describing him as a pied piper and showing that the DNC influenced the media to take him seriously at first.

    And i have no doubt the current wave of media attacks on him are equally influenced by the DNC. Not that he hasnt done anything to deserve it, he's clearly a shit bag. But nevertheless, political parties influence our press more than I am comfortable with
     
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  19. MeAgain

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    Oh, sorry. I thought you were implying that Wikileaks and illegal hacking were okay because there are injustices in the government. I must have misunderstood this statement you made:
    So I take it you are against illegal hacking.
     
  20. MeAgain

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    Because people like you and I can publicly complain about it without fear of getting stood against a wall and shot.
     
  21. MeAgain

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    No personal attacks please.
     
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