Don´t remain tied, Darwin has lied

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by cabdirazzaq, Oct 9, 2004.

  1. Brocktoon

    Brocktoon Banned

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    I have noticed a common misunderstanding of terms (on all sides).

    Darwinism is in fact completely dead.

    Now notice I say 'Darwinism'.

    Evolutionists do NOT accept Darwinism as scientific or even possible anymore.
    There has been far too much scientific discovery since Darwins day.

    I understand Evolutionism is still refered to as 'Darwinism' by the average Layman.
    I just thought I would clear up any misunderstandings that would cause.

    Darwinism is defunk and no longer accepted by anyone, including any modern Evolutionists.

    The theory that replaced Darwinism (evolution through natural selection) is one where NEW genetic information is added to each generation of creature.

    This theory is also being disregarded, mainly because of 80 years of excavating.
    They simply do not find the expected 'in-betweens' that would have existed.

    So then... the current theory .. much promoted by Stephen Gould is the 'Hopeful Monster'.
    Puncuated Equalibrium is the official name I believe.

    This states that (example) a Lizard commune was minding its own business.. then one gave birth to Feathered 'Chicken' Lizards.

    The 'Chicken-lizards' seperated from the group and were now Chickens.

    There is absolutely NO evidence this happens, can happen or would happen, however it is THE modern theory of Evolutionists.

    Again.. absolutely no Evolutionists believe Natural Selection could or would explain Evolution anymore.

    Hope that helps.
     
  2. cabdirazzaq

    cabdirazzaq Member

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    Richard Dawkins seems to believe it, and I can not think of any evolutionst which is as famous as he, and I believe they are called neo-darwinism sense after WW2 all the most prominent scientist, mathemetics, chemists etc gathered to try to patch up this broken theory and they got the name neo-darwinism.
     
  3. Brocktoon

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    Cabdirrazz... its funny how this is the only topic we seem to agree on.

    Yes, Im sure you are right about it being called 'Neo-Darwinism'.

    I suppose they wanted to pretend they are including Darwinism when in reality not one of them believes Natural Selection is anything but COUNTER-Evolutionism.

    [complexity of genes is REDUCED in Natural Selection - Vs - NEW Genes being spontaneously ADDED in the Hopeful Monster theories]

    It does seem Dawkins has taken over from Gould (rip) as the Premiere Head Priest of the Evolutionist Faith.
     
  4. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Why is it then, that the further back in time you look, ie. the further you dig, the simpler the lifeforms you find are?

    And also, evolution is not a process occuring in a vacuum. Asteroid impacts, etc., cause huge upheavals in the pace and direction of the changes.

    There is a protein that has been isolated that is shared by all earthly life. This discovery supports a common origin.

    I am not saying I support evolution, cuz I don't. I still cannot sea how seawater, lightning, rock, and time equal DNA. It is too big a leap for me.

    I like the ancient texts that say ET's helped us along, as far as being a plausible explanation, though it is obviously not anywhere near being proven.
     
  5. Brocktoon

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    Dont be fooled by imaginary 'Columns' showing an Evolutionist Artists 'Imagineered' picture of so-called 'Simple lifeforms' at the bottom and so-called 'More complex' lifeforms at the 'top' of a 'column'.

    The vast majority of these pictures are NOT real and are based on what the theory 'Should look like'.

    This is remarkable considering the fact that Evolutionists deliberately choose to seek and find the few examples that FIT THEIR pre-conceived 'Column'.

    If they spent the exact same amount of time looking for opposite examples of their 'sacred columns' - they would easily find just as many in reverse.

    This reminds me:
    Granted, there are many honest Evolutionists, but on the whole, their ranks are filled with bald-faced liars, deceivers and people who deliberately manipulate propaganda, documentries and courts cases to push their agenda 'at any cost'.
    Think Im kidding?
    You can find textbooks TODAY in which Embrionic stages are fed to children as 'Evidence' of Evolution.
    ALL Evolutionists and informed Science teachers know full well this is 100% Phony and despite the originator of this theory was literally arrested, charged and sentenced for FRAUD.

    You will actually find Evolutionist Teachers feeding that to children in 2004!

    Absolute Liars.

    Annnnnnd done.
     
  6. BlackGuardXIII

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    Jiminy Cricket, another freak agreement.

    I have seen modern human footprints in rock, alongside dinosaur prints.
    Kinda blows evolutions current sequence of events all to hell.
    Many of these kinds of findings get buried, likely cuz they would be too troublesome to try to fit into the neat little theories being taught presently.
    I have also read of archeologists who were blacklisted for the crime of finding and exhibiting such anomalous fossils. There are books full of them.
     
  7. Brocktoon

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    Years ago a leading Evolutionist proposed the theory that Humans had evolved from Dolphins, (and never become Apes).

    Anyone willing to think about it for two seconds realised that her theory was not one bit more or less 'Scientific' than theorising humans morphed from Apes.

    Here's the catch:
    Her Evolutionist peers did NOT WANT there to be any 'Public Impression' there was any 'question' about the Leakey School of thought.

    It had to 'Appear' as if it was 'Well Known' Humans were from Monkeys.

    This lady was subsequently 'shunned' from the circles and never to be heard from again in any publications.

    This happened to another lady on a Mexican 'dig' a few years later too.
    She made the mistake of finding human settlements in strata about a 'Billion' years before humans were supposed to exist.

    The site was declared an 'abberation' for future investigation. funding was removed, the site buried and the researchers were never heard from again.

    Shit like that goes on ALL THE TIME with the Church of Evolutionism.
     
  8. BlackGuardXIII

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    Same thing happened in Ontario, they buried the site, and built a resort on top of it.
    The archeologist was totally outcast afterwards.
     
  9. Brocktoon

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    For what its worth... at the time the Leakey Family was having their 'Lucy' heralded and lauded in the press (and school textbooks) - MOST Evolutionists believed it was nothing more than a Giant Gibbon.
    Others did not believe it was an 'Ape Person' but wanted to keep an open mind.

    You wouldnt know that by the propaganda would you?

    Austrolopithicus was TAUGHT AS FACT and still is DESPITE being clearly demonstrated as a Giant Gibbon.

    Probably no one here even knows that 'Lucy' is now known to have been a Giant Gibbon (which is what most Evolutionists knew from the start).

    So all that really happened was the fossil of a Giant Gibbon was found that was so broken up - it could not immediately be identified with 100% certainty is was.

    Three people declared it was an 'In-Between' and the Worlds Press went crazy instructing the public of this 'Fact'.

    Blaaaaaaaaaaaah
     
  10. Brocktoon

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    I think I heard of this once... Do you know the name of the site?

    Im not surprised though, they tried doing this in China once.

    A Chinese Scientist commented (rather frustrated after being told how he was supposed to present the 'Facts')

    "In America you have the right to question your own Government.... but apparently you are not allowed to question Darwin"

    [This is because Chinese 'Evolutionists' do not have any common history with the 'Official Line' of Western Evolutionists Doctrine, however American Evolutionists were 'Instructing' them on what and how the 'story' was to be presented and researched.]
     
  11. BlackGuardXIII

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    The whole ice age story they teach is laughably false. The evidence and laws of science show without a doubt that it did not happen the way it is taught.

    If it did, then glaciers in England carried multi ton stones uphill...which is impossible. The stones that land on glaciers melt their way to the bottom, and the bigger they are, the faster they sink. They aren't carried up hill for certain.
    The mammoths with buttercups in their mouths is another glaring contrary find.
     
  12. Razorofoccam

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    Brocktoon.

    Dont be so sure.... [the black death still lives]

    Occams perspective on evolution never included gross mutations.
    All is incremental.
    Incremenal change is far more stable.
    A constant creeping spread of parrameters.

    What drives the spread? Life.
    What is that?

    Occam knows not.

    Occam
     
  13. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    I don't know either, but it sure is cool.
     
  14. Brocktoon

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    Maybe so, but this is not the current option the 'High Priests' of Evolutionism are accepting.
    Mainly because they do not find them in the fossil record.
    Keep in mind - almost ALL fossils 'should' show incremental changes.

    All?
    Well there is no reason to believe evolution happened 'incrememtally.
    I guess you can simply believe it if you want.

    Well.. sorry but a lot of evolutionists disagree with you.

    That would be interesting if we had any evidence of this happening.
    Considering it would be constant tiny changes - you would hope we would see even one example in the last 50 years of modern research.

    There is no 'Spread' other than your own conjecture. (this doesnt mean your wrong.. it just means you are basing it on imagination)

    I like Life too.
     
  15. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Occam, good sir. I applaud your modest, honest, and open statement that you do not know. I don't either. Still workin on it tho. I find you set a stellar example to the younger members who are not sure if ANYONE on the web is not just playing games.


    At the same time I wish to thank brocktoon for giving me a good chuckle. Reading his infallible pronouncements is always good for a smile.
     
  16. Brocktoon

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    Your welcome BlackyG :D

    .. though I could never hope to repay the smiles you have given me, , , in particular everytime I look at that ridiculous pair of Bermuda shorts in your 'King of the Moutain' signature photo.

    BlackGuard.... you never knew The Notorious 'Juiceman3000' from these forums?
    Occam remembers him Im sure.

    Oh well.. just curious
     
  17. darrellkitchen

    darrellkitchen Lifetime Supporter

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    /em grabs Brocktoon by the collor of his shirt and smacks him around for a short while

    Don't /smack Ever /smack Bring /smack That /smack Name /smack Up /smack Again ... /smack

    /em lets go of Brocktoon and flings the imaginary hair from his bald head away from his eyes ...

    There ... that said and done ... don't we all remember Juiceman ??? Don't we all wish we could forget his antics ???

    Darrell
     
  18. FreakyJoeMan

    FreakyJoeMan 100% Batshit Insane

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    Oh, god. He had bout 4 or 5 identities, an he jus kept coming back. That was bout the time I stopped regularly postin in this forum, I jus didn't see any use with people like him around.
     
  19. Brocktoon

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    I just remember he routinely antagonised this other guy called Geckopelli - Hilarious!

    He (The OJ One) would have made a brilliant Talk-Radio guy LOL!
     
  20. darrellkitchen

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    Geckopelli ... ahha ... that's the ever elusive name I've been trying to remember today.

    You know ... from the progressiveness of the interactions between "stan grossman" and "BlackGuardXIII" I had thoughts that these were incarnations of Juiceman->"stan grossman" and Geckopelli->"BlackGuardXIII" ... Please don't be insulted by this, BG-XIII, it was just an unwarranted assumption.

    However, BG-XIII did not have the same feel as Gecko, in that Gecko leaned more toward interests in Science (questionablly of course as to whether his knowledge was self-imposed or acquired from institutionalized schooling ... I tend to lean toward the prior thought). Also, I happen to know from personal e-mails from Gecko that (if Gecko was pretending to be male) he was a she, and the photos of BG-XIII definately are male (assuming these are authentically the individual behind the persona of BlackGuardXIII ... which I have no reason to believe otherwise ... yet).

    Ooopppsss ... I've taken this thread off-topic ... oh well, guess I'll have to delete my own message.

    Sorry ... no more off-topic remarks from me in this thread. Sorry. Back to the discussion of ... what ... evolutionism?

    Darrell
     
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