Don´t remain tied, Darwin has lied

Sera Michele:

Could you please be specific about what exactly you think Im 'Ignorant' of?
When I ask you that question - Im asking you to state the actual points and issues themselves.
Simply spamming this board with 'Announcement' that 'Brocktoon is wrong' is not exactly helpful.

Feel free to quote an actual sentence/paragraph and then CLEARLY explain WHY you disagree.
Dont just announce that you deem it 'Ignorant' or just ask us to believe 'You know otherwise' without explaining why.

See.. this is how people 'Discuss' things meaningfully.
Thanks

 

You can go back and read my posts if you wish. I have no intention of participating further in this joke of an accusation that evolution is somehow uncientific. Especially when that accusation is coming from a creationist.

However, if you want specifics of how you are being ignorant, go back and read your last posts.

 

Brocktoon signels defeat when he shifts too maligning me in post that have nothing to do with me, such as his last, but one.

It seems his usefulness is at an end once again.

The problem is, I have a few interesting topics to post, (you see I'm severly laid-up right now, and have way too much time on my hands), but if I do so, "brooktoon" will disrupt them and attempt to turn them into anti-evolution propaganda threads.

What to do?

 

Geckopelli - There was already an active post about Darwinism, in which most any of your related ideas could have been fit.
Instead you posted THREE similar topics in the same 24 hour period.

But hey.. since my ideas are so 'Defeated' then I really dont see why you cant just ignore away and post to your own delight.

If you or anyone else finds the scroll bar (or mousewheel) so difficult to use - then you can simply censor my posts from you own eyes.

Enjoy

 

Darrell,

I'm biting my tongue really hard...

I leave it to you-

Should I go hardcore on his ass, or would you like to handle it?

 

No no.. Id like it if you did Gecko.

Please DO go 'Hardcore' on my 'ass'.
I cant bear to see your poor tongue like that.

Please DO explain Critical Thinking.
Explain why the Bereans could not have been using it and why.

Please, by all means feel free.

Go Go Gecko!

 

Once again people - Its not helpful to just jump into threads and announce your intended position - without - explaining why or how .. or what it means to the discussion.

"I dislike Evolutionists commenting in this thread.. Im not going to like Evolutionism!"

Is that Helpful.
No.

So it would be great if we can avoid that kind of posting folks.
Thanks

 

Razorofoccam is no longer a valid username on hip forums
Why

Tech glitch? maybe...
occam thinks he will soon find out.

 

Sera

Agree..why..Because each individual belief in god is just that...

A personal belief....an idea of what one wishes a thing to be....
For the reality of the thing..A religious god...is all words.

 

This is not necessarily true.

Not from a logic standpoint.

Should Moses be minding his own business and God Himself appears before him, demonstrates Omnipotence and then leaves a number of physical demonstrations and witnesses on His way out the door...

.. Then we have Reality and its true whether Moses likes it or not.
Whether Moses 'Speaks Words' or Whether Moses likes Atheism or not.

Same could be true for many folks.
At least the possibility exists that someone could actually confirm (or have it confirmed to them) there IS a God.

Thats unlike your Evolution story - because no one even has THAT possibility.
[Unless Time Travel is possible one day??]

So Evolutionism is limited to ONLY faith in words.

God believers, at the very least COULD have a way that, they the individual can find proof.

Dig it?

 

So creationism is more likely because there is a chance that a god could make himself present to an individual, wheras there is no being to make themselves present to prove evolution? It seems like you are pulling at strings here to keep faith in your favored theory...

Bah, nevermind I dropped out of this conversation. I was just dumbfounded by the terrible logic that is being used to support creationism.

...and I always have the urge to get the last word in...damn my stubborn personality :&

 

No no Sera.. dont drop out.
Ive decided to try out your style.
Here I go:

Oh? So just because Someone is pulling at Strings to keep Faith in their favoured Theory YOU SAY that PRoves EVolution happened?

[enjoy that - its called a 'Classic Sera']

What I AM saying is that Occams assertion does not need to be correct.
Someone might very well believe God exists because it was empirically proved to them.
For example - Doubting Thomas does not end up having 'Faith in just words' but believes Jesus is God BECAUSE he has seen, touched and met with the resurrected and Omnipotence-Wielding Christ.

So its not necessarily true that a person believes in God through just 'Faith in what they have heard'.

Now it might be true that Im basing my faith on eyewitness accounts of people who based their faith on objective reality.

Tying this back to the topic (just for fun)
Evolutionism is based on having faith in words alone.

There are not even eyewitnesses or the possibility to have ones faith demonstrated empirically.

 

What are you doing, Brocktoon?

Darrell

 

Evolution is based on scientific research, not just words alone.

It is creationism that needs faith in words.


But I am not here trying to prove that evolution (as we define it to be) is exactly how we got here. I am no expert in the field, but from my research of the subject it seems to be the most logical and scientific theory we have. Not to say how it is currently defined is absolute, I'm sure we will still make discoveries that will shape and change the theory.

Creationism, on the other hand, is just another mythical story of our origins. I don't take it any more seriously than any other mythical story I have read, like pregnant goddesses giving birth to our planet to hatching from a devine egg.

Anyhow, I consider myself to be agnostic, I don't deny the possibility of a god, I even enjoy the idea. But that doesn't mean I am going to let that change my perspective on reality.

But if some god made his physical presence known to me I would believe in that god. I would likely be surrounded by padded walls as well, but if that is my reality you gotta play the cards you're delt, ya know? It is hard to tell the difference between someone who is just crazy (seeing things), or someone who is seeing a real god. I don't think we can tell the difference. I doubt there is a difference...

 

haha

I do this same thing to my husband all the time, suffice it to say it does not make him so happy...I think I oversimplify the argument to make it sound a bit dumber than it is. Or something like that...

But now it's a 'Classic Sera'. I like that

 

This 2001 Space Odyssy Scenario just appeared in my mind and I can not stop laughing myself silly LOL!

Oh mannn Thanks Darrell, you just gave me huge smiles!

 

Sera Michele

Creationism is not based in logic.
It is based in desire...

Creationism is not a possible explanation for a phenomena..as evolution is.
Existant phenomena -> theory
cause -> effect...

It is a 'theory' that exists to support the validity of an opinion...
That opinion being a religious belief..

Without the bible for example...There would be no christian creationist theory [ex nihilo]
AND THAT IS THE SUM TOTAL OF CREATIONIST THEORY
'EX NIHILO'

Occam

 

Occam
Here is the difference:

Evolutionism is not based in logic.
It is based in desire...

Evolutionism is not a possible explanation for a phenomena..as Creation is.
Existant phenomena -> theory
cause -> effect...

It is a 'theory' that exists to support the validity of an opinion...
That opinion [Evolutionism] being a 'religious' belief..

Without the Evolutionist Stories for example...There would be no Evolutionist theory [ex nihilo]
AND THAT IS THE SUM TOTAL OF Evolutionist THEORY
'EX NIHILO'

Brocktoon.

[PS.. if you ever want to stop declaring positions and get into WHY you assert your positions - let me know]

 

Brocktoon : "[PS.. if you ever want to stop declaring positions and get into WHY you assert your positions - let me know]"

You are rediculously hypocritical. The one who will go to great lengths to try to refute evolutionary theory in several pages on this forum and when questioned upon his beliefs on creationism he does not reply or makes an irrelevant comment.

Brocktoon, how old are you?

It would be very nice to believe that I would live on after death--what is my motivation for believing the contrary? Actuality.

 

Thumotico,
Explain why you believe this and why.
Cite accurate sources.
I will tell you if and when your explanation satifies me.
Thanks

BTW.. It would be great to have some discussions about Creationism, however there are about 5 Evolutionists here who do absolutely nothing but 'Announce Evolutionism is Scientific becasue they deem it true (Scientific) there its Scientific becasue its Scientific'.

You already learned that complex working information (and you DID get many many sources for that concept) is observed to have Intelligent Design as its Cause.
This is true on most any observable situation we test.

At least you got to learn something.

Here, I see that Space Gasses turned into Planet Earth (as asserted by Geckopelli and parroted by you).
Is this based on ANYTHING?
Nope.
You two simply 'Say its true'.
You just want to 'believe' this happened.

Wow.

So basically I learned absolutely nothing other than two half-wits parrot a 'Story' they were told, based on NOTHING observable in Science.
In fact.. its a story that goes AGAINST observable and testable world as we know it.

So ya.. your UP on scientific enlightenment.
I have yet to get ANY enlightenment from Evolutionists.