Dok And Peppy's Mass Debate

Yes but wouldn't the same argument stand, that momosexuality is a sin etc etc

Love Clairexxx

 

Momosexuality, that sounds like fun!!!

Well the bible says sex is a sin before marriage, I'm not sure of exactly how it's phrsed but I'm sure homoesxuality could be squeezed into that definition. I wasn't really asking for a 'technical definition' or anything though, just peppys opinion as that's what's at debate here (my he's a popular boy!)

 

Sorry, didn'tmean for that to sound like I thought your opnion was irrelivant, just trying to clarify the question :~)

 

Well that’s one argument I guess, that the time that the Old testament was written people were presumed to be heterosexual. The concept of homosexuality (or momosexuality) may not have entered into their heads.



Maybe they were referring to man laying with man out of wedlock / when they were already married to women?



But I don’t think sex before marriage is a sin either…



But that’s just my opinion… lets see what Peppy has to say.



To be fair to Peppy, it’s good that he’s entering into the debate… none of the other Christians on this forum are. But I think it’s important to remember that Peppy’s view is only that, HIS view not the view of all Christians.


Love Clairexxx

 

Absolutely. In fact, this is precisely the reason that I believe Peppy's views to be homophobic. There are many interpretations of the bible and the christian faith, many of which find homosexuality perfectly acceptable. In selecting an interpretation that brands homosexuality as a sin, Peppy is choosing to adopt a homophobic attitude. One does not have to believe homosexuality is a sin in order to be a christian.

 

I may well be wrong here but weren't the Romans quite into bisexuality? I'm pretty sure they were but I'm not sure at what point that would have been and how that coresponds with the old testament...

 

i'm not all to sure about sex before mariage as of yet no one has found my scripture dictating it a sin, normaly they just define "sexual imorality" as sex before marriage but that is rubbish,

DoktorAtomik you simply stopped listening

"the law, yes all of it even those fucked up things that seem completely out of place in our society, is to make it visible to us that we have all sinned, and not to condemn us, thanks to jesus we aren't all screwed for our sin, and sorry but no one can say that they have never done something wrong, and i beleive that all sin is sin so i look apon myself just as lowly as i do any one compared to God."

a homosexual is probly sinning in all sorts of ways just as i am just as we all are, you are forgetting that you really took this out of context when you picked out my reply to a thread on homosexuals saying that although it is a sin that we should not be judgmental.

 

Bullshit. You stopped bothering to answer any of my questions. Could that be because your moral position is entirely indefensible?

What's your point? You're a sinner too? Whoop de fucking doo.
I suggest it's you who's stopped listening. You're defining 'sin' as the act of homosexual intercourse - which is inherent in the formation of homosexual relationships. You're telling gay people that it's impossible for them to form loving, sexual partnerships without it being a sin. That's passing judgement on someone's whole lifstyle. That's not the same thing at all as saying we're 'all sinners'.

You're defining the expression of a person's sexuality as a sin. How much more judgemental can you get? That's context enough for me, thanks very much.

 

But if you did find scripture condeming sex before marriage you'd be against it? This is coming back to the point about allowing your religion to dictate to you again.

 

Not to mention the fact that we've pointed Peppy towards a whole load of other things that Leviticus defines as sins. He seems very quite on this point though.......

 

Oh God, I know I really shouldn't but.... http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32016 what's the Christian view on that I wonder?

(I may delete this after a few people have thrown stones at me )

 

Well waddaya know. Looks like Peppy really is a mass debater!!! Ahem.

Yeah, but then he accepts he's a sinner, so not sure what that adds to the debate, really. The question isn't really about who sins or doesn't sin, it's about what we brand as sin in the first place.

 

Edited for too much honesty!

 

Oh right. Now I see why you 'tossed' that one in then

 

I've quoted it for posterity

Is it an abomination to masterbate? Serious question:&

Love Clairexxx

 

According to many christians, yes it is. Can't remember the exact biblical reference, but it's something to do with spilling ones seed being a sin (makes female masturbation a bit more of a gray area!). Ties in with the whole catholic thing about contraception...... spunk is holy and not to be wasted on fun!

 

So I'm ok as long as I don't do the female ejaculation thing yeh?

Sowwy:&

 

Uhhhh..... I never heard of female ejaculation producing spunk! Mind you, might explain the virgin birth......

 

I'm so glad that I've been cooking dinner like a good sinner while you two are being bad! And cooking is all I've been doing........

 

interesting that peppys disappeared all of a sudden..........

i notice he didnt answer my questions earlier either. maybe he's suddenly realised that it's just not possible to live your life by every word in the bible in this day and age. either that or we've just scared him off!

peace and love
stardust
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