Does the USA have a responsibility to help the Iraqis?

Odon,

You don't wish to engage, but you still do. Do you require instruction on how to disengage? I'll help.

Let's start with your idea that a lol is not an effort to get in the last word. You're wrong about that . . . too.

 

storch have a conversation with Anaximenes about the petrodollar.

 

Which makes it an even shittier plan than we thought!

As I was mowing grass earlier...I was thinking about this...if everything that John Perkins said in that video I posted is true and if it's also true that other countries are swooping in and taking oil contracts recently.....then all of the sudden Iraq is destabilizing and we may have to go back in? If we are using Perkins playbook then this would be the expected chain of events. This is exactly how he described it. We didn't get the outcome we thought we were going to get. Try again.

 

Odon,

There! See, you can't stop yourself from trying to get in the last word. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem genuinely apprehensive when it comes to discussing the petrodollar connection to the illegal invasion of Iraq. That's the feeling I'm getting here. So, are you afraid of the subject, or what?

 

Odon,

Do you believe that John Perkins is a liar?

 

Are you now assuming the role of Director of Posters here?

 

Nope.

Wouldn't that be me engaging?

Wizardofodd

If those companies signed 20-30-40 year contracts, then what would be the point of the US 'trying again' any time soon? The US has already spent more than they are likely to get out.

 

I would imagine that not every contract has those terms. The seller would never agree to such terms without a knife to its throat like the situation was a number of years ago. Oil revenue is funding (I think I read) 95% of govt spending in Iraq. So funding the govt is obviously not as much of an issue as it was when we were propping it up. That significantly changes the bargaining position of the gov't. Unless....say...something (fall of the gov't) were to happen that made Iraq somehow default on or void those newer contracts. I don't know enough to say what the terms are so that's just speculation on my part. But the multi-national corps don't care how much the US has spent or will spend. It's not their problem. The US will never get back out what it has spent because all of the oil will go to those contracts with corps.

 

I would imagine?
Perhaps look up if it is true or not.
I think you posted that was the point.
Now you are saying there are get out clauses?

I think? Maybe?
Come on, you were fairly confident a little while ago.
What does John Perkins have to say about this?

Say what?

I thought you did a little while ago.

This is just bullshit, man.

Have we not just mentioned oil contracts?

You clearly don't really know what you you are saying.

 

I think you're confusing yourself, man.

I said I read what the number was and "I think" it was 95% (just going from memory). So let's say I was wrong and it's 75%. That doesn't change my point. They had no money in 2005 and now they do. It's pretty easy to see how that would change their bargaining position. And I don't know what the terms are of the new contracts or the old ones except for what was in the article I posted and quoted. But this is just splitting hairs. And the last part you quoted isn't bullshit at all. The US gov't is not getting the oil. The corps are getting it and it doesn't really matter which corp it is because none of them had to pay for a war and all of them will profit from the oil. So no....as long as they are getting the oil....why would they care how much the war costs? It doesn't affect their bottom line.

 

Wizardofodd

My point is, you say things like this:

'I don't know what the terms are of the new contracts or the old ones except for what was in the article I posted and quoted.'

Which sounds like you are just dreaming up information.

I thought the point was the US (gov) was getting the oil/resources / getting US companies the resources.

Now you seem to be saying the US is just allowing any multinational company an opportunity to get the oil - even if that means China and/or Middle Eastern companies.

Yeah, now that sounds like a reasoned plan by the US.

 

Wizardofodd sounds like / no clue what they are talking about.

scorch sounds like / likes talking about an issue to death and not take other points into consideration (talkie toaster)

Yeah, whoop. Great people to talk to. NOT.

 

We just want to "help" them out of their oil, plain and simple. We can argue over the details until the cows come home, (the propaganda machine loves that!) it doesn't change the basic premise.

 

Poor Odon. Still succumbing to his emotional attachment to get the last word in despite his assertion that he has no desire to have a conversation.

I assumed you were frightened at the prospect of having to discuss the connection between the petrodollar and the illegal invasion of Iraq. Am I to now assume that you are prepared to have that conversation, or are you simply getting in the last meaningless word . . . again?

 

That was not my last word to you but to another, and my comment of you as a poster.

 

Deh! Yeah, Odon, that's called getting the last word in. Don't be frightened of the topic, Odon. Do you want me to start us off? Or do you want the honors?

 

Lets just nuke russia instead

 

If I am not talking about the issue at hand but talking about something else - then I am not trying to get the last word in that conversation. You got that by saying your opinion was right. Ok, yeah, you are right. Okay?

 

And you're getting this because you are saying that the petrodollar connection to the invasion of Iraq is an opinion when, in fact, it is reality.

 

Thank you.

To recap my points for everyone else because Oden seems to be trying to contort them in any way possible.....

We went in for the resources for our and our allies corps. We had a shitty plan. It obviously didn't work if other corps got the oil. The links I provided do a decent job of supporting the things I presented as fact. I was clear that the rest was speculation on my part. I suggest everyone watch the video I posted in post #68. That is all.

Oden....I hope I haven't come across as hostile in any way. This is just a friendly conversation to me, dude.