Does the KKK have a right to Free Speech?

I feel as tho they have just as much right as any other group does to freedom of speech. But I don't think they should be allowed to hold public meetings and etc....

 

i dunno, it's kinda like herding cattle towards the slaughterhouse.

 

Free speech is free speech. You may not agree with what some people say, but they have a right to say it.

 

Just because we don't like what they say, doesn't mean they don't have the same rights as the rest of us.

 

No, they shouldn't have that right. And free speech isn't a right, it's a privilege, it can be taken away, and it should be taken away from them.

 

Uh, yeah.

Jamaican youth, the KKK started as a US organization, and in the US free speech is NOT a privilege, is IS a RIGHT.

The black panthers could be put in the exact same category as the KKK, as a hate group. They preach how the white man is evil. I don't see how that's different than the KKK saying blacks, jews, catholics, etc are evil. I disagree with both the Black Panthers and the KKK, but I would never, ever think they shouldn't be allowed to practice what this country stands for.

The basis of the KKK, at least now, is to promote the white race and defend it. Again, I find this really stupid, but they have the right to believe and talk about it. The basis of their organization is not criminal. Therefore there should be no restrictions on them.

I got into a debate with someone over the whole NAMBLA thing, and this is my take on it, as it demonstrates the difference between free speech and encouraging criminal activity.

NAMBLA should not be allowed to exist, because the basis of their organization is criminal. Their goal is to promote relations between men and underage boys, which is illegal.

The KKK does not, at their rallies, tell people ways to kill blacks and gays, tell them killing blacks and gays is a good thing. They simply promote their agenda, which is that the white race is superior and needs defending. That's not criminal. Stupid, but not criminal.

I'm ashamed of the people who think the KKK should be stripped of their rights, just as much as I'm ashamed of the KKK.

And BBQ was not invented by slaves, BBQ was around before white or black man set foot on the current USA

 

Nah fuck em, strip them of their rights.

 

Your logic (or lackthereof) is dangerous.

If you think it's OK to strip people's rights just because you don't agree with them, then the whole point of having rights in the first place is useless.

The whole idea of it being a right, is that even if everyone doesn't agree with you, you can still say it.

Consider the civil rights movement in the US. When people first started fighting for the rights of blacks and other minorities, most people did not support them, or like what they had to say. By your very logic, just because most people disagreed with the freedom fighters, they shouldn't have been allowed to do all the work they did?

You are acting the exact same way as the racists that wanted to quiet down all the civil rights activists.

Maybe it's just difficult for you to understand these kinds of things living in australia.

 

Except I want to quiet down the racists.

 

It's the same principle, you want everyone that doesn't share your same beliefs to not have a voice. Just as evil as being racist.

 

I don't agree, wanting to drown out evil isn't evil. It's like locking up someone in a cell for the rest of their life for doing something bad, you probably don't think jails are wrong though.

 

People in prison broke the law, they did something legally wrong and reaped the consequences. Ideas and speech are not illegal, maybe if this was East Germany

 

Well then what about the black panthers? They preached the white man was evil and responsible for all the problems in the world. I would call that racist. Do you think the black panthers should be stripped of their rights to free speech?

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This post was in response to jamacan youth, btw. Posted a little too slow

 

Yeah but the difference is, they're part of a minority, i bet all the members have been the victim of racism in one or multiple forms during their life, what the fuck do the KKK have to complain about?

I think you're being too vague, you can make anything sound the same with generalisations like that. I draw distinctions, I see the difference between freedom of speech for an oppressed people, and for people who have legitimately nothing to complain about except for the colour of someone's skin.

 

How do you know KKK members were never the target of racial violence of hatred? It might surprise you, but in the US there is a lot of anti-white sentiment that whites get in shools from blacks. This was part of the reason the neo-nazi skinhead movement came about. Young white men were getting beaten up in schools by blacks, that taught them their hatred.

I saw a whole lot of it when I was in school, especially going to a mostly black high school. I was, a number of times, harassed by groups of black students. I chose to not let myself get a negative image of other races by what a few of them do, but other people might.

And even if all the black panther members were the victims of racism, it's ridiculous to judge a whole race by what a small number of them do. And that's what they did.

Fact of the matter is, for whatever reason, both the black panthers and the kkk hate each others race, and preach that. Because of this I take problem with both organizations, but at the same time respect their right to do so.

Where as you are against the KKK, but not the black panthers, even though they are both guilty of the same thing. This only furthers the divide between the races, because you are making the issue race, when the actual issue is what these specific groups are guilty of, and treating them the same if they are guilty of the same thing.

You are not against hate, you are against hate of your race, and fine with hate projected towards other races. Where as I'm against hate based on race, regardless of who it is against.

 

And that Australian comment is totally irrelevant to what we're talking about, it'd be the same as me asking if you're black and accusing you of not understanding because you're not.

See, I think you care more about the principle than anything else, which is fine, in principle, but not practically. What would be so wrong if the KKK lost the freedom of speech, really, what would be so bad about that? Sure in principle you may not like the idea of a group not having the right, but in reality, I don't think you'd hear many people complain.

There's another topic on this site, about max hardcore, he's been sent to jail, people complaining that it's a violation of his rights, but honestly, do we really care that a man like that had his rights violated? I say good, fuck him, throw him in jail. And again, rights can't be taken away, which is why I call them privileges.

 

I think it's a gradual process. Truth is truth; stupidity is stupidity. The KKK is a fucking joke and everybody knows it.

 

The Australian comments were made, because honestly I am completely unaware of the racial and social situations in your country. I don't want to make a statement that is true to life here in the US, be completely untrue in your country. I talk about what I know, and I know the US racial climate. I don't want to just assume that you and everyone else in the world knows how things in the US are, as that's a pretty arrogant point of view to have.

I assure you there was no malice intended in them, just me honestly saying I don't know how things are over there, so I'm only applying what I'm saying to things here in the US, and I'm not sure if you know how things are here.

Anyway, what would be wrong if the KKK lost their freedom of speech. It would have many implications. First of all, if it starts there, where does it stop? Can we start silencing certain religious groups because we don't believe what they say, and we have a problem with it?

It doesn't personally effect me if the KKK gets shut down or silenced. But they are Americans, as am I, and I believe we should be free (even if our rights are slowly being taken away anyway, but that's a whole nothing topic) to do as we please, and are not harming anyone. If the KKK was telling people to go out and kill blacks and jews, then they are giving up their right to freedom and freedom of speech. As of now, they are just preaching their beliefs, as misguided as they may be. And as a fellow person and fellow American I cannot be happy about someone loosing their rights for their beliefs.

neon's post is spot on too. Once enough people are smart enough to wade through the bullshit nobody will listen/join the kkk anymore, and it will die out on its own.

Max Hardcore is a different situation, but I'm glad you brought that up.

All of the women in the videos were of legal age, under sound mind to agree to be in these films. The people watching these films are of legal age and consent to watching them. Nobody is being taken advantage of, nobody is being hurt, nobodys rights are being violated, except Max's. For this reason I too would support him, not for his conduct, which does seem disgusting, but because I don't feel the government has any right to tell people what do to, as long as they are not hurting anybody.

And rights are not taken away, they are given up. If you kill someone, you are giving up your right to freedom. Privileges are granted, and can be taken away for any reason. For your rights to be gone, you must first do something to forfeit them. Such as killing someone and going to jail.

Funny he gets out of jail in 2012 when the world is supposed to end, I'm sure there are some right winger conservatives that have a crazy theory about how max antics will bring about the end of the world.

 

If one group's civil liberties are compromised, then nobody is safe.


Whats gonna stop them from taking away your civil liberties?

 

And what if someone doesn't like your point of view and wanted to take away your freedom of speech?