Does space continue

As an experimentalist I feel that any quantum gravity/TOE candidate is currently very speculative. Im not really up on Tiplers theory, but I believe that one of his Lagrangians contains an infinite number of terms, which doesnt strike me as a great start for verification. Also im not a huge fan of the Omega point, im not sure that its motived by Physics so much as an aim to unite theology and physics, quite apart form the fact that contraction doesnt seem to be what the universe is doing, this must have been considered but I dont know how.

 

you might as well have posted this topic in the mindfuck forum.

i really hope that someday, even if it isn't in this life, we find the answer. although we'd probably forget for the next life. hell, maybe we already found out?

 

I think there are other universes out there and space continues into other planes through those black holes. I dont know whats already been commented or discussed because I came in on the 5th page. I hope one day we have a machine or shuttle to let us go to unknown places in space. That would be very groovy.

 

im gonna have to read up on this stuff sounds interesting

 

I haven't had time to read the full Tipler paper yet but I will try. To me the assertion that the universe must end in the Omega point implies that the equation of state of the universe will change the expansion of the universe so as to cause collapse, I don't see this. Given that we don't even know what causes the expansion short of 'dark energy' possibly the least defined definition in contemporary physics.

While the Omega point would have a huge information capacity it may be hard to exploit, for this one reverses the current arguments for the rarity of life. As the universe approaches the universe atoms and nuclei will cease to exist as will the electromagnetic interaction. At the risk of being accused of being closed minded I find it hard to imagine life existing, much less computing in such an environment.

The Abrahamic religions are theistic in nature however the Omega point seems to be to be more compatible with a panthiest philosophy. Spinoza is a major philosopher who I believe did see Christianity in a Pantheist light but in general this is a highly minority view, on this I would subscribe to the majority view. I feel Tipler is trying to hard to draw Physics and Theology very close. This in itself is interesting, I see no reason to identify with the Christian god, or indeed any of the Abrahamic religions. Once you identify God this intimately with the universe you have a number of philosophical problems one of which is the nature of miracles. Im aware that there have been attempts to explain the miracles scientifically, thought this stretches the definition of science in my view beyond absurdity. The true Theist does not have the problem necessarily. Also I read The Cosmological Anthropic Principle before I really knew anything of its authors, and I cant believe it was written by an athiest.

 

our universe is a point in a larger dimention when we reach the end we reach our starting point.

 

According to vedic, mayan and inca culture i believe the galactic center is in between the arrow of the archer and stinger of the scorpion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_center

also called the milky way.. ?

 

those are questions that astronomers are currently trying to answer....one thing the do know is that space is expanding outward in all directions, so with that inmind, yes, there must be and end or an edge...

and as for matter....what do you consider matter? there are several theories..you need to take astronomy! It'll blow your mind...

 

I heard that there used to be 10 dimentions, and scientists know of 6 as of this point in time.....

 

We know of 4 at this time.

 

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest here, but my astrphysicist professor (who used to work for NASA) said that they are aware of 6

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension#Additional_dimensions

 

Wikipedia is well known not to be really accurate. Anyone that totally trusts it is a fool.

 

Well I study High Energy Physics and I would tend to agree with that particular article, though in general you may have a point, I find its Physics and Maths articles quite good. Though there are some doggy articles at the very controversial end of Physics, where its as much philosophy as anything. I don't think the number of KNOWN dimensions is particularly controversial.

 

it continues (a lot) further then any of us could get travelling at the speed of light our entire lifetimes. that much is more or less of a given. which is pretty much good enough for me without having to get into anything deeply phylosophical about it. whether it ends anywhere or turns back on itself or just keeps going or whatever, i'll leave that to someone else to worry about.

i'm almost positive there are parallel universes, but my head's not entirely up to trying to explaine what i mean by that or why i think so, only to mention in passing that their existence doesn't mean they can't each be infinite as well.

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Lmao. I love your sarcasm.

This does sound all very pleasant, now doesn't it?
But if this proverbial baby were born, where does mankind end up?
In some proverbial Glad trashbag of the Universe?

 

The Universe is just a vast expanse of infinite space.
There are no limits - everyone knows this.

 

where's you evidence to support this? I guess you better call NASA and tell all those people there what you just said here

 

there are three possible ending states of the universe (in theory):

Closed - the total mass of the universe is so large that it slows the Hubble expansion. The entire universe stops expanding and falls back to a point. (The Big Crunch)

Steady State - the mass of the universe is just large enough to slow the expansion almost to 0. The universe has a FINITE size but will last for an infinate time (no Big Crunch)

Open- the universe's mass is not enough to slow Hubble expansion. Thus, the universe expands without limit in space or time.

 

It's also possible that the "universe" as we know it is a subset of another universe, that our stars with their solar systems are merely atoms or molecules within bodies of matter in the "super" universe, and that this "hierarchy" of matter continues ad infinitum in both directions. So our solar system comprises matter on an outer level, just as smaller solar systems, or atoms, comprise what we know as matter at a sub atomic level. Furthermore, this might support the closed/steady state/open models, if you can envision our known universe as comprising a solar system, which could be expected to behave as stars astronomers have observed. Some stars collapse in on themselves and form black holes, some remain the same size, and some explode.