I think they are taking "unadoptable" animals. Look into that ( I recall this tidbit from the Virginia case). If they are taking unadoptable animals, it could be simply to use a more humane method of euthanasia. Can't for the life of me remember where I got the info, so have some salt with it.
Yeah, that's definitely an argue based on facts. 97% are euthanized, not much lower, but you chose to lie and say 99% just to skew it even more. PETA gets mostly unwanted pets. They would of been euthanized in any other pound too. PETA has better standards than some of the common barbaric methods used. According to the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, PETA euthanized 1,946 companion animals in its home state of Virginia in 2005. During that same year, 126,797 animals were euthanized at animal shelters in Virginia. Less than 1% in just one state. Yeah, they are obviously the biggest killers. The meat industry and fur industry have higher kill rates than 97% (Add about 3% to that) You are assuming that PETA is only an animal shelter, and does nothing else to attempt to save lives. Which is just completely ridiculous Kills more animals than anyone else? You're so full of shit. The amount of animals they put down is nothing in the overall picture. And those kills are obviously there fault, anyways. Don't blame the breeders and those who buy from them, or those who refuse to neuter their animals knowing full well they wont be able to take care of the births.
Just for the record, neither ALF, nor PETA has ever murdered anyone and will NEVER promote that in their practices. I don't agree with a lot of things PETA does (but what organization does one ALWAYS agree with?). I'm a member of PETA, however, and have done many protests and demonstrations...and I'm by no means a psychopath. I'm a vegan, I'm an animal rights activist, I am NOT a speciesist...I think our animal brethren deserve the same rights as our friends and neighbors. THAT'S what PETA is for...to give a voice to those who cannot speak for themselves. Would I go out and dump paint on fur coats? No (mostly because I know the fur industry would just kill more to replace it.) Would I run through the streets naked to protest the fur industry? Yes. PETA is about getting the word out there and doing it in extreme ways is the only way you get people's attention. Don't blame PETA for that...blame society. Somehow we think murderering animals is OK...yet got forbid we dress up in a chicken outfit and tell people it's wrong. Society makes no sense.
Alright well I stand corrected on that: they don't kill 99%, they kill 97%...and the state pounds are the largest killers, not them. Happy? I did say "I think..." at least. And as far as them "only taking unadoptable pets", am I mistaken when I say that many of the animals they take away from people had homes to begin with? Granted, they had owners that were accused of neglect...but still, maybe taking the animal knowing you'll have only a 3% chance of giving it another home isn't the best option. Again, I'm not sure about this as it's not an area I know a lot about. I'm just going off of what I heard and if you'd like to enlighten me, you're more than welcome to.
Far more based in reality than their opponents (Ya know, where clowns will be your friends if you eat their hamburgers) The picture is of a man cutting open fish with the words "Your Daddy Kills Animals!". Now, unless this is handed out to those whose daddy doesn't fish, it is completely honest. I know, I know. Its considered taboo and unfair to use the truth to persuade kids, under the pretense that its better to lie to them rather than "corrupt" their little brains. If you want, use the same tactic and make a pamphlet claiming that their daddy kills vegetables. I strongly doubt it will have the same effect.
Let me be sure I understand where you're coming from... So you wouldn't see ANYTHING WRONG with handing those same young, impressionable 4 year old kids pamphlets that said "You should never play with knives!" with a picture like this: Or how about one that said: "Always be careful crossing the train tracks!" and featured THIS picture: After all, like you said the pamphlets are completely honest, so no worries right? 5 year olds these days can handle a lot more than you'd think! I know, I know. Its considered taboo and unfair to use the truth to persuade kids, under the pretense that its better to lie to them rather than "corrupt" their little brains.
If seeing those pictures stopped them from playing with knives and running around train tracks, yes. I'd like for them to see them. I'd much rather they saw the picture than became the picture. However, there are gentler pictures that can show what happens, and the pictures you posted are nowhere near comparable to the PETA pamphlet. So basically you've just shown that PETA wasn't that extreme. And the "you've stepped on bugs" defense is truly idiotic. If someone murdered your family I highly doubt you would be able to justify it with the fact you step on bugs. Its just plain ridiculous and illogical. Accidental deaths are not the same thing as intentional. Its always possible you might accidentally hit a pedestrian while driving, so you might as well aim at them. And what does this have to do with PETA anyways? Are you attacking peta or vegans in general? Let me guess, the next defense is going to be "carrots have feelings too!". Come on.
PETA does use extreme disturbing images to brainwash children... turn the kids against the parents for feeding them, perfect logic. Its like what cults to... get 'em while they're young. I'm all for animal rights and treating animals humanely, but PETA pretty much destroyed any credibility they had when they started talking about blowing up buildings and killing people. not to mention all the animals THEY'VE killed. But oh yeah. its ok, cuz they're PETA. PETA at one point was a great organization. They educated people about animal rights, alternative life styles, and alternative eating. They were exposing a lot of bad shit going on. But then they're psycho leaders had to turn around and turn into a terrorist cult.
Yeah, peta is the one brainwashing children. The fast food companies aren't. The milk industry isn't.Their parents are definitely not. Heaven forbid that peta uses EXTREME (Comic-book style pictures that are toned down versions of what really happens.) graphics to illustrate their point. And where are ALL these animals they kill? The amount they euthanize yearly is equivalent to the the amount of animals killed in, what? 2 seconds? Maybe 3 seconds on an off hour. And I'm not saying it hasnt happened, but where is all this advocacy to kill people? Opponents of peta love to say that, but I havent found one who can back it up. And yes, the buildings should be blown up. Property is not worth more than life.
Oh yeah right. Look at it. That is just wrong on so many levels. First of all, look at the "father's" face. Just look at it! He looks like a deranged psychopathic murderer! No normal person takes pleasure in killing, fishermen included. That combined with the fish , which by the way are all frowning (since when do fish have sad faces?) AND the fact that the guy is gutting fish in a business suit! Who does that?!? Is it because he would look too much like an innocent sportsman who is minding his own business if he were wearing a t-shirt and a vest? Or is it because they want all the 4 year olds to associate daddy's business suits with the executioner's outfit for the rest of their lives? THIS SHIT will mess kids up, NOT an innocent fishing trip! Fishing has been accepted as good clean fun for thousands of years...now all of a sudden "certain people" want to say it's demonic! Disgusting. You have your morals and beliefs...I get that. That's fine. BUT DON'T FORCE THEM ON CHILDREN WHO AREN'T OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER. LET THEM DEVELOP THEIR OWN BELIEFS AS THEY GO THROUGH LIFE! Wouldn't you say the same thing about parents that "force their religion on their kids"? HYPOCRITE! The truth is, most people who fish throw the fish back into the water so that they'll go on to reproduce. You despise fishermen so you would never understand this, but there is a real respect and admiration for the beauty of the fish. Hurting the fish is the last thing that the responsible fisher wants to do. I know if I saw someone torturing a fish for sick pleasure I'd beat their ass. The only fish that get gutted are the ones that are good for eating, and even then, only by those who intend to bring them home to feed their family. If it wasn't for fishing, many people (like the Eskimos for instance) would have no other food source. What about them? Would you call them a bunch of murderers because of their way of life? What if YOU yourself were stranded in the wild with your kids and the only way to stay alive and keep your kids alive was to go fishing, or to trap and kill an animal for food? What would you do then?
How is the length its been going on any sort of justification? Slavery is bad. Mistreatment of women is bad. But those both went on for an extremely long period of time. And other long time traditions could be seen as good. Historical length is completely irrelevant. Its also very hard for me to take your "don't force people not to kill" statement very seriously. Especially when the "force" is a pamphlet. But let's leave the whether killing other species is okay out of it for a second and pretend this is just a personal beliefs debate. Something makes me believe that without animal rights groups that the average kid isn't going to grow up unbiased. Most parents aren't going to completely explain the issue to their kids before giving them animal products. How is that not a forced opinion? How is that any different than pushing a religion on a kid? Giving kids who apparently can't understand the issue meat is NOT neutral. Generally when someone advocates that it is something kids can't understand, they keep the questionable material away from the kids. If you saw someone giving their 5 year old cigarettes, I'd like to believe you wouldn't yell at the person giving the kid a pamphlet. If I'm wrong, correct me. But usually its understood that if a product is questionable, you keep it out of kid's hands until they are old enough to decide. I'm confused at why you talk about catch-and-release fishers. Not only is that not what the picture is about, it also contradicts the arguments in the next couple paragraphs. Also, there is a huge different between respect for and admiration of beauty. I also don't hate fishers. They are definitely not the worst of the atrocities. And though I have to disagree with you on this point, I feel a need to explain the other side's view. You openly advocated physical violence against those who get sick pleasure out of harming animals. A decent portion of animal rights activist that advocate violence are aimed at those kind of people, not your average meat eater. And now for the survival question. Yes, if I was in the wild, and survival depended on eating meat, I would. I would also eat a dead human if survival depended on it. Hell, if you involve kids, I could outright kill a human if their life was threatened by them. However, this is not a situation of survival. Based on your ability to debate over the internet, I strongly doubt you live in a situation where survival is dependent on your ability to kill and eat animals. Same thing for Eskimos and any others who live a similar more basic life. Same goes for every culture before supermarkets. If you want to run off and live a more basic, natural life, I openly support you. You'd probably being saving more animals (humans included) in the long run.
I pretty much know that PETA uses extreme videos and lies about animal abuse because i used to be a PETA follower myself. But I grew out of it and started eating meat again. About a month ago I started THINKING FOR MYSELF for once in my life and decided to go veg again. But I'm not a member of PETA... Back then I watched a video about animal slaughter and thought it was oh so terrible (I still think that, but that's not the point). The videos were definitely melodramatic and confusing. Like why would someone stand by and video tape something so wrong like that? Documentary, maybe? I don't think so. Personally, I think PETA commits those acts by themselves, or pays someone to do it, video tapes it, and posts it with clever little sayings like "I am not a nugget". Bunch of bull shit if you ask me. Plus, don't they kill people? Why is that? Because people like the taste of meat? Fuck them. On this fishing topic, my dad's a major fisherman. I mean, he just got back from fishing too haha. He's always like "Myra, come with me, let's go fish." "It's not murder if you release them, it doesn't hurt them." Fuckin A it doesn't. They bleed. Bloodshed is pain. (Unless you're numb, that is) They flail around on land because they can't breathe. That's ripping them of air. How would YOU like that to happen to you?! I'm sure fisherman hurt the fish they catch no matter if they skin it anyway. The whole skinning thing makes me sick anyway... Once my dad was doing that and one of the fish was still alive... Uggh it's so fuckin gross and inhumane. /rant
Although we'll probably never really know what goes through a fish's mind, most scientists believe that fish are incapable of experiencing pain (at least pain as we know it) since their brains lack the areas that are responsible for recognizing "pain". Again, I don't think it's possible for us to know for sure - HOWEVER if they're just being caught on the hook then released they really aren't any worse for wear when all is said and done. There's no permanent harm done to them unless you do something like rip their heads half off or whatever.
Yeah, I see your point. But for some reason i still find it wrong to catch fish. Even if no harm is done.
Well, from an outdoors mans perspective... I think if somebody wants to live as a vegan or a vegetarian, that is great, but once you start neglecting your bodily needs you are either very dedicated or very foolish. I can understand living a healthy vegetarian/vegan lifestyle in a city, or even a town, but once you step away from society, you pretty much need to eat anything you can to survive and be healthy. The thing that bothers me with PETA, and some PETA supporters is that they are against the bold marketing strategies of meat production/preparation/ect. companies (or "brain-washing" as some call it), but have no problem using the same tactics to further their cause just because they believe it is just. Remember this is from an outdoors man's perspective, so dont try and bash me saying that you can be vegan/vegetarian and survive away from society without bringing your own food. I know my stuff Love baby.
Something we agree on. That being said, humane treatment is important. I hunt from time to time. yeah, that may seem to go against what I just said, but... Never missing is as important to me as breathing... As far as mistreating domesticated animals, there are some things that people just ought to be cold cocked for... However, I'm getting real sick and tired of seeing the guy who drowned a bag of cats get ten years while the guy who's guilty of manslaughter or murder walk after less than half of that. I've always been an animal guy... At one point, I had four guinea pigs, three cats, eight rabbits, and a dog all around here. Many of them have died of old age, a couple mysteriously, not old age but no known cause without an expensive autopsy of my animal. Two by disease that came on fast and couldn't be cured... Guinea Pig Pneumonia is a horrible thing... You don't recognize it until you've seen it once... But most PETA members I've met are total whack jobs...
