Does it matter which political party you cast a vote for?

No, my fear is justified, I'm not trying to scare anyone, but people should be scared of our government.

The government has been passing tyrannical laws such as the NDAA,NDRP, HR 347, CISPA and, the FAA Reauthorization act, which goes direct against the Constitution of the United states. Not to mention possible umcoming war with Syria, Libya and, other middle eastern countries. This endless war on terror, and the fear and submission it breeds.

Obama will probably be re elected, and impose martial law. We would start wars with Iran,Syria and, Libya. Which could make Russia angry and ignite a WWIII. Basically, the climax of this chess game for oil and natural resources.

A group of elitist, big bankers like David Rockefeller and politicians of America as well as, Great Brittan. The Bilderburg group and other secret societies in which the wealthiest people meet in private. Let's not forget that George W Bush, Hillary/Bill Clinton and, Barrack Obama ALL were members of Bilderburg.

 

Btw you may think and say that I'm fear mongering but I'm definitely not! When the government claims the right to kill citizens and start wars without congressional approval, something is wrong! and that's the state America is in right now. That's just the facts.

 

With respect, I do think you are slightly fear-mongering. Perhaps a fairer comment is your interpretation of NDAA,NDRP, HR 347, CISPA and, the FAA Reauthorization act - is sounding like it will be one end of the spectrum [The Infowars version - e.g: http://www.infowars.com/bill-clears-path-for-30000-surveillance-drones-over-us-in-next-ten-years/], and there is obviously the other end of the spectrum [The snopes version - e.g: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ndrp.asp]. I think, aside from FAA Reauthorization act, nothing is new. The president just signed off on them like other Presidents have done for decades.
I remember reading Bush was supposed to set up concentration camps, and invoke martial law. He didn't. I highly doubt Obama will, either.

Do a forum search keywords: war Syria / war Iran / war Libya
The first two have been talked about for the last 6-8 years. I'm quite sure the third one will too, eventually. WWIII has was apparently to be started 8 years ago. I'm sure people have been saying the same thing for longer. That isn't new, either.

What's your interpretation of NDAA,NDRP, HR 347, CISPA and, the FAA Reauthorization act, and why do you think war with any of those countries is likely under Obama when they never happened under Bush (you would concede his admin' was a lot more hawkish than Obama's admin').

 

HaHa! Well first of all no, I will not concede with that. The Bush administration was sloppy. They got caught following an old women around that they thought was a terrorist. The Obama administration however, has executed American citizens!!! Granted, most of them were terrorist and suspects of terrorism. (Some were NOT like their brothers and cousins, who also got killed in the drone strikes!!) The problem is man, ALL Americans deserve the right to trial as stated in the Constitution. Through all these new laws, the government is saying; "We can read your Emails, text messages, facebook mail etc., fly drones over your home and spy on you with heat vision IN YOUR HOUSE, take away your property as I like and even, kill you without due process of law, however, YOU can't protest any of this around my secret service agents."

I'm not fear mongering. This is all how it is going to be. There will be 30,000 drones in the skies of the U.S by 2020. All these acts directly violate the constitution and the governments power grab has gone too far!!! Our divinely inspired Constitution was written to Limit Government Powers, and our Declaration of Independence says that our government only gets its power, through our consent.

 

Anwar al-Awlaki, for e.g, had tenuous links to the US.
You can argue about his constitutional rights till the end of time, if you like.
For me, it comes down to what he was doing.
Perhaps there is a principle here, but that's shredded when you think about what he was involved in.
Do you think he cared about the U.S constitution or the U.S?
So, you can hold people like that up as valued U.S citizens if you like - I won't.

"The Obama administration however, has executed American citizens!!! "

Comments like this is exactly what I'm talking about.
Anybody would think Obama made a quick call to his C.I.A buddies one morning, and they went out and killed somebody the same day.
Rather than the predicament people like Anwar al-Awlaki put themselves in, and the years of legal wrangling that it took to either capture or kill him.
It's hardly solid ground to claim U.S citizens are being executed, as if it was an every day occurrence.
If you think you are being calm and reasonable, fair enough.
I guess a lot of this is Forum bluster.
You do seem to be aware that these situations are not straightforward.
I guess if you decided to put yourself in the same predicament as Anwar al-Awlaki did, you might get killed too.
But I think you - and 99.9% of your fellow citizens - are safe, to be honest.

"YOU can't protest any of this around my secret service agents"

Why would you want to?
You've got hundreds of thousands - heck millions - of acres to protest in - and the vastness of the Internet.
It seems a little churlish to make a big issue out of this.
You seem like the type of person who would hurl themselves on the ground claiming police brutality if a police-officer politely asked you to move on.
A bit of a drama queen Is that fairer?
You are not fear-mongering - you are being a bit of a drama-queen

"fly drones over your home and spy on you with heat vision IN YOUR HOUSE, take away your property"
"I'm not fear mongering. This is all how it is going to be. There will be 30,000 drones in the skies of the U.S by 2020."

So now you are absolutely certain in 7-8 years drones will be flying over your home spying on you.
Ok, lets come back in 2020 and see how accurate that is.
I have a feeling it's going to be similar to war with Iran people were talking about 8 years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I understand your concerns. I'm not wishing to dismiss them as irrelevant. It's just the manner in which you speak about them.

 

What about Anwar al-Awlaki's brother and cousin who were also American citizens!? Is that really the America you want to live in? Any male casualties that America bombs today, are automatically considered "enemy combatants." Obama wants no real change in foreign policy. War with Syria and Iran are just over the horizon. When people are lethargic about government, that is when tyranny takes over. The people have been apathetic of our governments actions for too long. I mean wiretapping citizens, watching our skype conversations and, even reading our facebook messages, it's something straight from the book "1985" by, George Orwell. And it's all under the guise of "fighting terrorism." Seriously, think about it man. We have the strongest military in the WORLD, and we're doing all this to kill off a group of Muslim extremist??

I believe in the founding principles of this country, and it is an utter disgrace today. I want to protest because my First Amendment right states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Dude this has been reported. Watch This V
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fNP51hZtVI&feature=relmfu"]Judge Napolitano : First American to shoot down a Drone will be an American Hero (May 15, 2012) - YouTube

 

I don't think they were automatically considered "enemy combatants."
They were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Like I said, that's what was said 6-8 years ago. Never happened. Unlikely to now. History will prove one of us wrong.

'1984'

'1985' is another book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_(Anthony_Burgess_novel)

Very noble of you. But consider if every American wished to protest 100 feet from the president. What would happen then? Who is stopping you from protesting anywhere you like aside from within a restricted property? Would you stop me protesting inside your home If I decided I MUST protest 24 hours a day for the next 6 months.
I don't care if you need to sleep
I MUST protest exactly where I want, when I want.

A calmer approach:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/restricted.asp

FOX NEWS? LOL.
Ok, I'll not buy into the criticism often levelled at Fox news, and just comment on it's content.
Did you notice it said [on the graphic]: 'could be in use'.
What the commentator and the host are doing is having a knee-jerk reaction and articulating the worst case scenario (I'll not say they were fear-mongering).
I guess it makes good TV.
Atleast they were having a bit of a joke about it.

The inferences made seem to be suggesting that everybody is going to be watched, and you better watch out.
Don't you ever read information from the FAA?
Do you just believe what you watch on shows like that?
It must keep you up at night in a cold sweat.

What seems to happen is:
People get worked up about privacy issues.
The end of the world occurs.
Then reason kicks in.
Then reality is far from what was anticipated.

Also, those drones are going to be very busy indeed, if they are supposedly spying on everybody.
Is that what you think is going to happen?
Or do you accept it's unlikely?

The rather over exercised man was pointing out IF a drone is used by a law enforcerment agency, and IF they happen to pass over your home (etc), and IF the government wanted to use them to spy on citizens.
He didn't say this WAS going to happen - and he certainly did not say 30,000 drones WILL be in the skies watching all of the U.S by 2020.

A calmer approach:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/faa-chief-says-drones-will-force-change-at-agency/

 

Dude, I call utter bullshit. There are not even flying cars, as was predicted when I was but a wee infant. If there is going to be any type of governmental control, it is because people refuse to change the government. The founders of this country made it explicitly clear that the people are in control and it our very right to change the government if we think it is wrong. However, have you studied the forms of government? Do you even know what the country could face if the current democratic versus republican stance was changed to something else? Do you even wonder what kind of path our country could take if such a situation arose, or are you so caught up in your anti-government thoughts that you have absolutely no idea how a country could possibly be run aside from complete anarchy? Why don't you get your head out of your ass, because I am not here to cater to ignorance. I am here to inspire intelligence based on reality. Get yourself together, because if you have no idea what you want to happen other than to make a weak claim that you abhor the current situation of government, then you are a mere zygote in the womb of politics.

 

You're one of those!! A democrat or neo liberal. Cause somehow to you, CNN and the Washington Times are completely legitimate sources of information but Fox is definitely bias. Wake up dude!!! They're all bias! Whatever, neither of you assholes are worth my time. I'm the only one talking about real issues, and I'm obviously making you sheeple very upset.


Esp you Maelstrom, jerk! No body's forcing you to read this topic, go back into whatever hole you fucking crawled out of.

 

And I am the asshole? Wow, speak about transference. Dude, I will always respond honestly to anything, because I will not back down from what it is I believe. If you cannot handle that, then you have absolutely no business in attempting to debate.

 

You drew a complete assumption about me, and stated it as fact, when in reality, you don't even know me. I don't support any type of Anarchy, I support peoples constitutional rights and the ability of the people to limit the power of government! I don't believe in super PACS, and I think for everything from taxes and war should be done constitutionally. This is all something that has gone terribly wrong, and I thought Americans realized during Bushes presidency. But evidently, as long as the president's black, the liberals don't give a shit.

 

Oh, do not even play that card. Obama has improved this country the best that he can given the fact that he can only do so much. It was the same with Clinton. Do you expect that any president can improve the country on a whim and a wish? The only fact that seems to be consistent is that republicans are capable of destroying the country every time one of them is in office, but instead of focusing on that fact and how hard it is for the democrats to fix the problems, those who see both parties as equally evil would rather paint both parties as detrimental. I will not curb my abhorance at your ignorance. In fact, if you believe that you could run the country so much better, knowing that being president gives you limited power under the circumstances of house and senate, then by all means attempt to do so rather than run your fingers across the keyboard as though you are the future of politics.

 

Do you not accept FOX News has a horrible reputation?
It was just funny that you are trying to convince me you are not fear-mongering, and you pick a news agency with the worst reputation for it.
I did NOT go with that, though. I judged it on it's content.
It was supposed to show me that 30,000 drones will be whizzing around spying on everybody, and it didn't.
The 30,000 is from the FAA - but it is speculative, and does not point to government drones spying on people.
For all anybody knows half of them could be studying climate change.
I do know all news outlets are biased.
They all spin the news one way or another.
You seemed to think Fox news was spinning the news in your favour - It kinda was but kinda wasn't.
You are not making me upset.
I was rather enjoying our little chat, as it happens.
I'm sorry you are not.

 

Just frelling wonderful. If people who take no sides will buy into Faux News propoganda as reality, then the situation of our country is even worse than initially imagined. Gosh dren, I must have a chip in my head, after all, that tells me to state how dumb everyone else is.

 

Fox news is actually a lot more manageable than speaking with Obama supporters. I can't believe the ignorance and the complete submission to a failing government system. It doesn't matter how the ship gets sunk, if it does, we're all going down. The same is true in this country. If you two are that hard-headed and convinced that either democrats or republicans have the right answer (and never republicans,) then we're in two different conversations. Obama is the continuation of Bush, he has more bankers and lobbyist in his white house than any other president, his 2008 campaign was filled with rhetoric and propaganda. Unfortunately for you two, you will eventually have to wake up from your fantasy world, and realize that things have gotten much worse in the past four years!!!

 

Yes, and I am the progeny of Princess Diana. Get a frelling clue. The way you speak, you seem to be in support of republicans. The've done enough damage on their own without having your voice added to the pile of dung they've created.

 

there is NO difference between these political parties...none...Neither of them care about you at all

 

Again, you're alluding that I'm a republican, and I'm not. I am a little bit right on the political spectrum. But that's because I believe in the Right to bear arms. All I believe in is freedom, how does that make me look like a republican?? Believe it or not, some people don't like/trust Obama anymore because he's lied too much. I'm one of those people! And I will give my vote to ANYONE except Obama or Romney this year, (probably Gary Johnson,) because neither of the two candidates represent me!!!

 

No, I'm enjoying our chat as well. Maelstorm just pissed me off. I didn't mean to take it out on you man, I'm sorry. But I know a lot of Fox anchors are incredibly bias, but Judge Napolitano is not. In fact, he was fired from Fox for being too honest. He had a show on Fox Business called "Freedom Watch," and it's a great show too.

See, I feel as though in a way, people these days think "Anyone with republican leaning ideas is wrong," yet in reality the reason I am Libertarian as opposed to liberal is; I believe in the right to have guns for ones protection, and I don't believe in over taxation, which is imposed by the government to support all these Liberal expenses and ideals. Take ObamaCare as an example. It's another whole tax on everyone. Everyone has to buy their government healthcare otherwise, you can't go into a hospital.

 

I thought so. That's why I didn't make too much of an issue of it.

Ofcourse he is.

Wiki:

It doesn't surprise me you don't see any bias in what he says.

The important thing is: Is what I said about what he said wrong - If so, why?

I should point out - I'm not American. I'm English (I obviously don't know what I'm talking about ).
I do appreciate the constitution is important to you.
I do appreciate to many their first reaction is: "That's not constitutional" - regardless of if it is or isn't.
You might now appreciate it isn't the first thing I think about.

Healthcare is whole different kettle of fish here.
What you see as 'liberal' I see as 'normal'.
Here the 'left' and the 'right' believe in universal healthcare.
Having It isn't so much of an issue as it it is in the U.S. - aside from it's implementation.